tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post684176655304945013..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: OPPOSITION TO PAPAL LEADERSHIP PUT INTO CONTEXTFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68909298745618004552015-01-14T12:58:52.127-05:002015-01-14T12:58:52.127-05:00Who doesn't remember the 'parallel magiste...Who doesn't remember the 'parallel magisterium' or the "American Catholic Church" promoted by Call to Action and others during St. JP2's reign?<br /><br />The dissent of Humane Vitae was organized, global, and public...and nothing at all happened to the theologians and priests who signed on to the dissent.<br /><br />It's sort of like how in 2008 political dissent was the highest sign of patriotism (as per Her majesty, HRC) but by 2009 political dissent was henceforth to be deemed racism and unpatriotic.<br /><br />So which is it? Is dissent cool or not? I suppose then as now, it all depends on who is dissenting from what and how. Maybe it's good or maybe it's bad. But our typical 4th grade level public discourse really fails at making such distinctions. JusadBellumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80355260260142050372015-01-12T11:09:36.504-05:002015-01-12T11:09:36.504-05:00Indeed, it is a misconception that the Novus Ordo ...Indeed, it is a misconception that the Novus Ordo introduced the vernacular, or even that the vernacular was a significant feature of the Novus Ordo. Everywhere I knew about, Latin had largely or entirely disappeared and Mass was celebrated in the vernacular several years before the Novus Ordo saw the light of day in 1970. In particular, most pew Catholics welcomed the 1965 Order of Mass—now referred to as the “interim order of 1965”, though at the time it was introduced and announced as the final and definitive form of the Mass revised as directed by Vatican II—and its provision for the vernacular celebration in an English translation that was still dignified and sacral. The objections that soon developed alongside the initial enthusiasm for the vernacular, were instead to the precursors of Novus Ordo silliness and desacralization—e.g., banal folk songs replacing Mass texts, ripping out altar rails and standing for communion, etc--that began to appear, even though Catholics generally (including most bishops) were unaware that a secret commission was continuing to work in the mid to late 1960s on what became the Novus Ordo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68095155363663788342015-01-11T18:00:02.968-05:002015-01-11T18:00:02.968-05:00"...When Pope Paul approved a more modern for..."...When Pope Paul approved a more modern form of the Mass using vernacular languages rather than Latin in 1969..." He doesn't know what he's talking about. Permission was already given for the 1962 missal, including the canon, to be celebrated entirely in the vernacular before the reformed missal was published. The opposition was to the reformed order of Mass ("novus ordo"), not its language. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21833134707333950462015-01-11T11:57:03.721-05:002015-01-11T11:57:03.721-05:00I get this haunting sense of similarity that Cardi...I get this haunting sense of similarity that Cardinal Burke is re-living what Ronald Reagan was living during the last days of Jimmy Carter: poised to restore order and common sense, just waiting for the liberal facade to come crashing down on itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31476970304692640902015-01-11T07:04:33.007-05:002015-01-11T07:04:33.007-05:00So Allen is saying just shut up and accept it all....So Allen is saying just shut up and accept it all. Cool.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.com