tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post676648932986425958..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: THIS ANTIPATHY TOWARDS POPE FRANCIS BY THOSE ONE WOULD LEAST EXPECT: I JUST DON'T GET ITFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43585641688007836802014-01-31T22:35:36.126-05:002014-01-31T22:35:36.126-05:00I think Joe has it right. It is well past time to...I think Joe has it right. It is well past time to stop focusing on human personalities, including the Pope's, and start focusing on how we each must improve our own involvement with Mother Church. It's gonna be a long marathon race, folks, not the 100 yd. dash we had hoped for...Anon friendnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37654786264612961752014-01-31T13:16:34.937-05:002014-01-31T13:16:34.937-05:00Believe me, it does not bring me joy to point out ...Believe me, it does not bring me joy to point out things with Pope Francis, nor does it bring anyone here joy to criticize. <br /><br />We can't pretend that things are all unicorns, sunshine and rainbows, when they're not. Pope Francis does say things that are good and solid, at the same time he doesn't. Praise where praise is due, correction, where correction is due...but the vast majority of time it's the latter rather than the former, whether it's the "who am I to judge" (TM) , "little monsters" (TM) , intentionally disobeying Holy Thursday rubrics, or "the miracle is a sharing" when referring to the feeding of the 5 000. Whether he intends it or not, these things undercut any attempt at orthodoxy or orthopraxis that may occur. The same can be said for when the Bishops' supported Obamacare before they found out there was abortion in it. Not nipping things before they get worse always undercuts whatever authority or intention someone is trying to do. Even more so for the Pope than anyone else.<br /><br />This image of St Francis being simplistic when it comes to the Liturgy has to go. St Francis wanted only the best for the Church's public prayer, the best vestments, the best vessels, etc. <br /><br />We know that God does not author confusion, but I also wouldn't say necessarily that the devil's behind all the imprecise statements either, I'd say it's merely human weakness. <br /><br />I do not think that that Pope Francis will celebrate an EF. The Liturgy is not Pope Francis' thing (although it should be) However, I would not be surprised if a certain Emeritus Pope would celebrate one in private or for guests he might have over. <br /><br />The above said, I do thank you for giving us the good side of Pope Francis (even if on occasion I might think it's a bit much)...it's good to not despair or constantly focus on the negative things, it's quite taxing. As I like to say, while I'm not as far to the right as the traditional blogs in their criticisms of Pope Francis. (I genuinely think he doesn't know), I'm not in the super sunshine and rainbows camp of the lefties either. It's a day by day thing.<br /><br />Let us pray for our Holy Father Francis, Pope of Rome, Lord have mercy. Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-650506313658476572014-01-31T09:23:23.648-05:002014-01-31T09:23:23.648-05:00A pontifical Low Mass requires additional servers ...A pontifical Low Mass requires additional servers and a bugia bearer. Apart from that, it is a Low Mass. There is no such thing as a papal Missa Cantata, since this is something that is allowed when no deacon and subdeacon are available.<br /><br />Had Pope Benedict celebrated a High Mass in the Old Rite, some of the ceremonial would have had to be simplified, since the papal court of 1962 no longer exists.<br /><br />Pope Francis does celebrate Mass in Latin, and does use the Roman Canon. While the standard of musical performance in St Peter's may not be of English cathedral standard, it has greatly improved since JP II's time, and the injunction to give Gregorian Chant first place is assiduously observed, even in vernacular psalmody. <br /><br />I am singing at two EF Masses this weekend, one celebrated by a FSSP priest and the other by a diocesan priest who has taken the trouble to learn the Old Rite. If we value the EF it is up to us, laity and priests at local level, to do something about it. As Fr Z points out, we have been given the bike, so take off the training wheels and ride the damn thing! John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6257250540806975102014-01-31T09:17:40.031-05:002014-01-31T09:17:40.031-05:00I think many of us are just tired of hearing about...I think many of us are just tired of hearing about this Pope. His careless statements, ambiguous comments, and dismissive observations about traditional Catholics and doctrine have made many of us just want to curl up somewhere with a bottle of liquor and wait until this Papacy is over. I personally prefer single malt, but this Pope only rates Jim Beam...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73859039474625399082014-01-31T08:59:38.436-05:002014-01-31T08:59:38.436-05:00Respect for the papacy and the institution of Holy... Respect for the papacy and the institution of Holy Orders would never allow a Catholic in good conscience to malign a pope, bishop or priest or create calumnious statements based upon one off-the-cuff remark that has been clarified over and over again by our Holy Father.<br /><br />When has he ever clarified that horrible statement? And what true Catholic even entertains thoughts like that? And I want to know what Church he is referring to? Exactly what Church is constantly obsessing about Doctrine and abortion? And who has lost the "sense of sin".? It's not Traditional Catholics that's for sure. He is doing what he wants to do because he can. He isn't doing what he needs to do, because if he did the world would hate him. It wasn't Traditional Catholics who went insane over the red shoes, it was/is liberals. The world loves Francis because he is of the world and they don't believe he really believes Catholic teaching. That is the truth and everybody knows it. Read Rolling Stone, that is why they love him because he isn't teaching the Faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-44022322061164782922014-01-31T08:45:32.920-05:002014-01-31T08:45:32.920-05:00I'm not really kidding myself, because I'm...I'm not really kidding myself, because I'm not giving into the divisiveness of politics as it is experienced today in the secular realm and now being imposed upon Holy Mother Church and her pope and bishops. As well there is a bit of the heterodoxy of the divorce mentality amongst neo-traditionalists when it comes to some aspect of this papacy they dislike and in this realm are very much like their heterodox progressive brothers and sisters in picking and choosing what pope they will follow and won't. It is pure baloney and quite contrary to the Church's sure and certain discipline prior to Vatican II. Respect for the papacy and the institution of Holy Orders would never allow a Catholic in good conscience to malign a pope, bishop or priest or create calumnious statements based upon one off-the-cuff remark that has been clarified over and over again by our Holy Father as it concerns the sanctity of life from the first moment of conception and the need to safeguard and accept all of the Church's moral teachings.<br /><br />And this from his homily this morning:<br />All too often today, the Pope observes, grave sin such as adultery is declassified as simply a "problem to be solved ." That’s what happens in today’s reading in which King David falls in love with Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah, one of his generals. Taking up this story, Pope Francis says David took her for his own and sent her husband to the front lines of battle where the man was killed. In actual fact, the Pope stressed, David also committed murder. And yet, having committed both grave sins, the King is not moved. Despite committing a grave sin, the Pope observes, David does not feel pity and fails to ask forgiveness. He only considers how he can resolve a problem.<br /><br /><br />This can happen to any of us, the Pope says, and observes “When the Kingdom of God diminishes, one of the signs is that you lose the sense of sin."<br /><br /><br />Conversely, you also lose the "sense of the Kingdom of God" and in its place, reflects the Pope, there emerges an “all-powerful anthropological vision," that leads us to believe we “can do anything.”<br /><br /><br />The Pope confesses that even he himself can fall into the trap of losing a sense of sin. But a commitment to daily prayer, he stresses, can counter the injustices perpetrated out of human pride and stop so many from falling victim to “Christian mediocrity” and our “unrecognized sins.”<br /><br /><br /><br />Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49599104670677534332014-01-31T08:15:04.955-05:002014-01-31T08:15:04.955-05:00You are kidding yourself Father, sorry to say. He ...You are kidding yourself Father, sorry to say. He is the pope, yet rarely if ever even acknowledges that he is pope. That is strange, not humble. His statement about obsessing over abortion will haunt him throughout history. That statement alone shows me that he is incredibly imprudent. He is going out of his way to please Protestants and Jews and Muslims and pagans of all kinds. Yet the one group he refuses to show any kindness, a group that has been persecuted mercilessly from the Church herself is Traditional Catholics. It's uncalled for. We have remained faithful in the midst of the self destruction of the Church. We have been reviled by bishops, priests, nuns, the media......and now by the one person we thought we could rely on, the pope. We have seen every practice and tradition we value discarded and ridiculed. YES, traditional practices mean something to us. I know you can't undersytand that. But we need some kind of re assurance, and soon or there is going to be another split of Francis' causing. Would it kill him to wear choir dress and say the Canon in Latin. Would it kill him to explain and then formally change a rubric like the washing of the feet instead of blatantly violating it? Would it kill him to stop the name calling. Would it kill him to live in the Apostolic Palace like his predicessors. Would it kill him to stop mocking everything that Traditional Catholic value. It's not right, we don't deserve this. We have had to endure the Mass being changed, and virtually everything in the Catholic world change in order to placate a bunch of Protestants who will never accept the absolute truths of the Faith that can't be changed, but yet we continue to change the externals. Why doesn't he concentrate on deriding the EasternCatholics and leave us alone. He never stops the attacks on us, never. We deserve better, we have been faithful and now we are treated with derision, it's unjust. We will not abandon everything we love and respect because one man thinks it is silly. So where does that leave us. Does he want us to stay or leave. He bends over backwards for everybody else but refuses to offer one outstretched finger to us. I cannot understand it. This is a nightmare. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19626029916503059942014-01-31T06:28:17.022-05:002014-01-31T06:28:17.022-05:00It will not be a Missa Cantata, but a low Mass and...It will not be a Missa Cantata, but a low Mass and from what John Nolan says, Pope Pius XII seldom celebrated Solemn High Pontifical Masses, preferring the Low Mass. So if he celebrates an EF Mass, it will be a low Mass with low Mass vestments. Of course this is my clairvoyance speaking, which of course is always true, but maybe not!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-67768953390982369822014-01-31T06:24:45.283-05:002014-01-31T06:24:45.283-05:00Oh come on, Fr. You really can't expect he'...Oh come on, Fr. You really can't expect he'll celebrate the Old Mass. For a start he'll actually have to wear a full set of pontificals, which I sure can't see happening in a month of Sundays. Adamnoreply@blogger.com