tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post6352224647139754899..comments2024-03-28T16:23:19.433-04:00Comments on southern orders: VATICAN II ALLOWED FOR TWO FORMS OF THE ROMAN RITE TO BE CELEBRATED, THE REFORMED RITE AND THE MORE ANCIENT RITE!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49638958210366972022010-08-09T08:15:49.070-04:002010-08-09T08:15:49.070-04:00The following quotes are from
"The Ecumenica...The following quotes are from <br />"The Ecumenical Vatican Council II: A Much Needed Discussion" <br /><br />"The purpose of Vatican II, in fact, sets it apart from any other Council, especially Trent and Vatican I. Its scope was not to give definitions, nor was it dogmatic or linked to dogma; it was pastoral. Thus based on its specific nature it was a pastoral Council." [55]<br /><br />"Anyone who, in quoting it [VII], puts it on a par with Trent or Vatican I, and accredits to it a normative and binding force which it does not possess in itself, commits a crime and, in the final analysis, does not respect the Council itself." [30]<br /><br /><br />"Let me say immediately that not even a single dogmatic definition included in the intentions of LG or the other Vatican II documents. The Council--we do well not to forget this--could not have even proposed one since it had refused to follow along the lines traced out by other Councils...This means that none of its doctrines, unless ascribable to previous conciliar definitions, are infallible or unchangeable, nor are they even binding: he who denies them cannot, for this reason, be called a formal heretic." [58]<br /><br />"It is licit, therefore, to recognize a dogmatic nature in Vatican II only where it re-proposes dogmas defined in previous Councils as the truth of Faith." [59]<br /><br />"And if someone passed through that door to introduce into the Church a Liturgy subversive to the very nature and primary end of the Sacred Liturgy...the responsibility for this, in the final analysis, is none other than the conciliar text itself." [171-172]<br /><br />"[T]he Liturgy which systematically boycotted the versus Domino orientation, the sacredness of the rite, the sense of latria, the irreplaceable beauty of Gregorian chant, the solemnity of gestures and vestments, and kneeling...[was committed in a] boundless cult of man..." [186-187]<br /><br /><br />"It is to be remembered that no one is morally free before the truth (God, revelation, true religion). Directly willed ignorance that leads a person to reject that which he is duty-bound to know is an act of grave, more irresponsibility; actually, it is the gravest moral mistake..." [211]<br /><br />"Man himself, for whose salvation God Himself became incarnate and offered Himself as an expiatory sacrifice, was elevated by the Council and placed as the center of ecclesial activity: "Man himself, whole and entire, body and soul, heart and conscience, mind and will' (GS 3). This capsized the thought of St. Thomas Aquinas who taught that God cannot create for ends which are foreign to His own reality." [220]Templarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18204866760862707908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68966448077085412732010-08-08T15:27:59.304-04:002010-08-08T15:27:59.304-04:00seems to me that the priest can do what he wants. ...seems to me that the priest can do what he wants. I am not sure what all the worry is about if the Pope and Vatican II documents say so, then just do it.<br />My problem is when it is not done well. A sung mass us great if the priest and Cantor can actually sing. I am usually distract when the electoral or priest uses grand jestures or a false church voice. Just make it authentic and possible.<br /><br />On a different topic; did I see a real min in mass today. I went to the 12 and was surprised and happy to see a nun in habit. All is not lost; my faith is restored.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01654286310024958561noreply@blogger.com