tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post6165894177404459032..comments2024-03-28T05:17:04.006-04:00Comments on southern orders: POPE TO NATIONAL CHISMATIC REPORTER: IF YOU WANT TO FOUND A NEW RELIGION, YOU ARE FREE TO DO SO!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86558510981565376942019-05-15T08:18:18.612-04:002019-05-15T08:18:18.612-04:00John Nolan,
Well, I think you and I know who &quo...John Nolan,<br /><br />Well, I think you and I know who "anonymous" is. Rather sad behavior for a priestTJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86257336250032171912019-05-15T05:33:31.337-04:002019-05-15T05:33:31.337-04:00Fr McDonald has told Anonymous (the one who asks d...Fr McDonald has told Anonymous (the one who asks damn-fool questions) to stop being silly and embarrassing himself, and further questions must have his name and title.<br /><br />He has not complied, which indicates both discourtesy and dishonesty on his part.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-44389658242578505272019-05-15T04:19:52.880-04:002019-05-15T04:19:52.880-04:00Wait anonymous, are you saying that there is "...Wait anonymous, are you saying that there is "evidence" that human is a kind of "icon" of Christ, but that "maleness" and "sonship" has no evidence? And weren't you asking if God COULD do whatever he wanted?<br /><br />I think you were refusing to see our apples to apples argument.<br /><br />Do you see it now?Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01504517769804159508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84307755602899158252019-05-14T19:57:24.783-04:002019-05-14T19:57:24.783-04:00Aardvarks are not human. (Surprise) A human was n...Aardvarks are not human. (Surprise) A human was needed to redeem humans. It's an apples/oranges thing, trust me.<br /><br />Bee's the one who said we should question God, not I. She's the one who should be asked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68971918571672058722019-05-14T19:11:11.927-04:002019-05-14T19:11:11.927-04:00It's the menstruating obviously. How's tha...It's the menstruating obviously. How's that for an answer?<br /><br />Also, you seem to imply that because we cannot give a great reason as to why God chose to be born male when He COULD have chosen to be born as female, then we have no good reason to rule out female priests.... however since God COULD have chosen to have been born as an aardvark (seem other blog post) does that mean we should try to justify aardvark priests?<br /><br />Who knows why God does anything that He chooses to do? If you know, tell me.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01504517769804159508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53508997491967408352019-05-14T17:00:33.178-04:002019-05-14T17:00:33.178-04:00"As to Anonymous' at May 13, 2019 at 8:13..."As to Anonymous' at May 13, 2019 at 8:13 PM question: "What, in the nature of a woman, prevents her from being a true icon of Christ?," you ought to be asking God that question, since it was by His decree only males should be priests, in both the Old Testament and the New."<br /><br />As I understand it, God has revealed to us all that is necessary for salvation. <br /><br />We know from Revelation, particularly the Book of Job, that God does not reveal His mind - the "background" to what is necessary for salvation.<br /><br />So, one is left to wonder what answer a question to God might surface.<br /><br />The real irony here is that no one, among this uber-knowledgeable group of self-proclaimed "true" Catholics seems to be able to answer the question posed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21437867474646943602019-05-14T16:56:28.310-04:002019-05-14T16:56:28.310-04:00TJM just gave me the idea why men must be priest. ...TJM just gave me the idea why men must be priest. So at least one man is out of bed Sunday morning. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56634463834320366002019-05-14T16:38:44.678-04:002019-05-14T16:38:44.678-04:00Bee,
The irony that you, a woman, needs to school...Bee,<br /><br />The irony that you, a woman, needs to school a priest in the Divine Law.<br /><br />Vatican Disaster II was supposed to influence the world for good, instead apostate clerics have allowed the world to influence the Church for ill.<br /><br />Satan never sleeps, truer now than ever. <br /><br />TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23597863613157948522019-05-14T15:48:31.875-04:002019-05-14T15:48:31.875-04:00Bee here:
Pope Francis said, ""We are C...Bee here:<br /><br />Pope Francis said, ""We are Catholics. If someone wants to make another church, they are free to do so."<br /><br />Oh, but they don't want "another church." They want the Roman Catholic Church. They want the Roman Catholic Church because of her wealth, power, and because she stands as a fortress against evil. And they are trying to make a breach in the walls in order to destroy her from within, just as those who want to take over a worldly kingdom try to breach the walls of the castle where the king resides in order to overthrow him and take over his kingdom.<br /><br />That is the only reason.<br /><br />As to Anonymous' at May 13, 2019 at 8:13 PM question: "What, in the nature of a woman, prevents her from being a true icon of Christ?," you ought to be asking God that question, since it was by His decree only males should be priests, in both the Old Testament and the New.<br /><br />But of course, it may that you don't even believe in the supernatural God and His decrees, and instead believe the order of things has its source in man made decisions and laws from the ancient past, and that those men simply claimed the decrees were from God in a self-serving kind of way. If you think this way then it is impossible for you to accept God's ways as the Church understands them. <br /><br />I suspect no one who is promoting female ordination has been asking God "why not women priests?" And if they have, they don't believe Him when He tells them.<br /><br />God bless.<br />BeeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-27463160943272639122019-05-14T13:10:07.437-04:002019-05-14T13:10:07.437-04:00Anonymous....Think marriage. The Wedding at Cana. ...Anonymous....Think marriage. The Wedding at Cana. The Bridegroom (Jesus) provides the wine. The Eucharistic celebration is the wedding banquet.<br /><br /><br />I'm guessing that those who think women can be priests also think that homosexuals can marry.johnnycnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90383988380306500552019-05-14T12:59:23.323-04:002019-05-14T12:59:23.323-04:00In 1988, the Inter-Orthodox Theological Consultati...In 1988, the Inter-Orthodox Theological Consultation met in Rhodes (Greece) to study the place of women in the Orthodox Church. To the extent the consultation attracted any attention, it mainly was the reaffirmation of an all-male presbyteriate and episcopate. However, it also formally advocated for the restoration of the order of deaconess: "The apostolic order of the deaconess should be revived. It was never altogether abandoned in the Orthodox Church though it tended to fall into disuse. There is ample evidence from apostolic times, from the patristic, canonical and liturgical tradition, well into the Byzantine period (and even in our own day) that this order was held in high honour...' (From the book "Woman and the Priesthood, 1999, edited by Thomas Hopko, a series of essays about the role of women in the Orthodox Church.)<br /><br />But even if that office were revived, evidence is lacking that deaconesses performed the functions of a deacon, like reading the Gospel and preaching (though unfortunately at my parish in 30327, deacons almost never preach, but that is for another time). Basically, the Orthodox view is that even if deaconesses return, that is a separate question from women priests. "There is a clear distinction between the diaconate---whether male or female---and the priesthood. What neither female nor male deacons have ever done is to perform the consecration of the Eucharist, to bless the people, or to confer absolution; these are functions that are specifically priestly...The two issues are distinct, for the diaconate is an order in its own right, not simply a 'first step' to priesthood." (page 17 of essay in that book).<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90339244593019492482019-05-14T11:48:55.669-04:002019-05-14T11:48:55.669-04:00Then you should thank Mr Nolan for giving it to yo...Then you should thank Mr Nolan for giving it to you. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-32710409431459778552019-05-14T11:00:10.927-04:002019-05-14T11:00:10.927-04:00"Anonymous, it implies nothing about what God..."Anonymous, it implies nothing about what God COULD have chosen."<br /><br />That was, precisely, my point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-66314650560572958322019-05-14T10:54:41.468-04:002019-05-14T10:54:41.468-04:00At the risk of earning the ire of John Nolan and F...At the risk of earning the ire of John Nolan and FrAJM I will point out that Mr Nolan gave away his point in his question: rams were sacrificed. Christ presented Himself as the ultimate and only fitting replacement that could satisfy the level of sin to be addressed by the Sacrifice. <br /><br />The answer to your *real* question cannot be had in a simple exchange on a blog. But only by extensive study and prayer. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78834684717468040122019-05-14T10:27:47.603-04:002019-05-14T10:27:47.603-04:00Anonymous, it implies nothing about what God COULD...Anonymous, it implies nothing about what God COULD have chosen. <br /><br />False argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4102467596947256422019-05-14T10:26:33.429-04:002019-05-14T10:26:33.429-04:00A@19:14, stop being silly and embarrassing yoursel...A@19:14, stop being silly and embarrassing yourself. Your next question has to have your name and title.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-15108425072470341002019-05-14T10:26:03.609-04:002019-05-14T10:26:03.609-04:00The entire Old Testament also points to a male mes...The entire Old Testament also points to a male messiah. Sure, one can (and people do) argue that this reflects a "patriarchal" society - so it must be reformed. But then, it's not Christianity anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54299351919950073382019-05-14T10:14:58.115-04:002019-05-14T10:14:58.115-04:00"Because God chose to be born a male."
..."Because God chose to be born a male."<br /><br />Yet, again, this does not answer the question, ""What, in the nature of a woman, prevents her from being a true icon of Christ?"<br /><br />Regarding, "Because God chose to be born a male," does this imply that God could not have chosen to send His only-begotten DAUGHTER as our savior?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-35407930643338121882019-05-14T09:53:33.736-04:002019-05-14T09:53:33.736-04:00Anonymous
The fact that you asked this question i...Anonymous<br /><br />The fact that you asked this question in the first place gives cause for the inference. There are many sources which hold that the masculinity of Christ and the Apostles, and the masculinity of the priest are germane to the sacrifice.<br /><br />Do your own research. It's not for us to point out obvious answers to damn-fool questions, especially since yours appears to be a rhetorical one.<br /><br />Now grow up and stop trolling.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6207217034935498762019-05-14T09:24:47.963-04:002019-05-14T09:24:47.963-04:00Because God chose to be born a male. And He certai...Because God chose to be born a male. And He certainly didn't exclude women in the process of His Incarnation by being born of a woman who is profoundly compliant with His will. In fact, His birth could only have happened through her total commitment to God. She is the model for us. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52491314470597014002019-05-14T08:34:23.350-04:002019-05-14T08:34:23.350-04:00"Methinks Anonymous has trouble accepting the..."Methinks Anonymous has trouble accepting the ordinary and universal Magisterium regarding the impossibility of women's ordination."<br /><br />This statement does not even begin to answer the question I asked, so again: "What, in the nature of a woman, prevents her from being a true icon of Christ?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63340422379732683082019-05-14T06:23:53.899-04:002019-05-14T06:23:53.899-04:00Methinks Anonymous has trouble accepting the ordin...Methinks Anonymous has trouble accepting the ordinary and universal Magisterium regarding the impossibility of women's ordination. He wouldn't of course reject it, since this would be heresy.<br /><br />In modern times there has been a distinction between a non-ordained deaconess and an ordained woman deacon. Protestant sects had deaconesses who performed roles analogous to consecrated women religious in the Catholic Church.<br /><br />The evidence from the early Church as to whether women deacons were sacramentally ordained is inconclusive. PF's 2016 commission was not expected to unearth dramatic new evidence, so the result was a foregone conclusion.<br /><br /><br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-28953625552052684952019-05-14T04:04:37.426-04:002019-05-14T04:04:37.426-04:00Sorry Mark T., but quoting a shepherd of the Churc...Sorry Mark T., but quoting a shepherd of the Church who seems unconcerned over tepid sheep leaving, doesn't really comfort me. I believe the tepidness is directly related to having shepherds like this.... "oh well, lost a few sheep. Sheep that myself and other shepherds weren't really concerned enough over to really try and strengthen their weakness...."Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01504517769804159508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-16662803780350098872019-05-13T20:13:58.942-04:002019-05-13T20:13:58.942-04:00What, in the nature of a woman, prevents her from ...What, in the nature of a woman, prevents her from being a true icon of Christ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31516084393659048282019-05-13T16:34:33.185-04:002019-05-13T16:34:33.185-04:00The dean of Atlanta's Greek Orthodox Cathedral...The dean of Atlanta's Greek Orthodox Cathedral told me a few years ago that there were deaconesses in the early church, their main roles being to assist with female adult baptisms and bring the Eucharist to the sick...BUT...according to him, they did not assume a liturgical role (as a deacon does at Mass). However, at the same time, he said he was not aware of anything in their canon law which precluded a woman being ordained a deaconess. I think an Orthodox bishop did ordain a deaconess recently, but I forget whom and where.<br /><br />But the ordination of women priests and bishops is an entirely different matter, and the Orthodox remain mostly opposed to those innovations----all going back to the Eucharist of course, the priest being an image of Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com