tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post6015937853070062897..comments2024-03-19T04:12:56.543-04:00Comments on southern orders: FRENCH FOLK MUSIC AND JAZZ PIANIST AT PAPAL MASS IN BENIN, WEST AFRICA, YIKES!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71113311794885881332011-11-20T15:39:08.647-05:002011-11-20T15:39:08.647-05:00The tune was composed by J. P. E. Martini (1780) a...The tune was composed by J. P. E. Martini (1780) and is known as Plaisir d'Amour. The original text is a classical French love song, and is taken from a poem by Jean de Florian, which is included in the collection "Celestine."<br /><br />Among the many "covers" based on this classical tune is "I Can't Help Falling in Love With You." Since this is music for Christ the King, it is appropriate that THE KING, Elvis Presley, performed that cover!<br /><br />You GO, Church in Africa!!!Tony Salierinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74801629595527205412011-11-20T14:32:38.484-05:002011-11-20T14:32:38.484-05:00Maybe we can get permission for Liturgical Nerf Pi...Maybe we can get permission for Liturgical Nerf Pistols to replace EMHC. <br /><br />rcgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85667594010613816122011-11-20T14:14:41.982-05:002011-11-20T14:14:41.982-05:00You're right.You're right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6664888461399963422011-11-20T13:41:01.311-05:002011-11-20T13:41:01.311-05:00There's no bigger turn off than having a music...There's no bigger turn off than having a music director interrupt prayer time before Mass to introduce a new song or psalm response. They really seem to think that this stuff is important to us, or at least more important than our time in front of the Blessed Sacrament. They raise and lower their hands on an imaginary staff and talk down to us as if we were in kindergarten. If they only had a clue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71766059619421088952011-11-20T12:03:10.466-05:002011-11-20T12:03:10.466-05:00Jazz is considered American, but with one of the s...Jazz is considered American, but with one of the strongest influences from African roots. He was using a tempered instrument (piano). At least they didn't have Liturgical Apache Dancers, that would have been a mess.<br /><br />Some of the most used folk tunes are borrowed from Celtic folk/traditional. The congregation seems to get into these and knows the tune so they can open the hymnal and see what words Marty has put to it. There are few Hawaiian and Spanish language tunes that have, through iteration, been somewhat mastered by the parish. <br /><br />Something that I don't care for, but helps with new tunes is the music director or cantor will stand up before mass and introduce the new song with a little practice. It is very distracting when we are trying to pray and get our minds ready for mass, but if it could be done without the loud announcement, "May I have you attention? We will be singing..."<br /><br />rcgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63586434819692844902011-11-20T11:38:18.527-05:002011-11-20T11:38:18.527-05:00I believe the late pianist Vince Guaraldi composed...I believe the late pianist Vince Guaraldi composed and recorded a "jazz mass" at Grace Cathedral, San Francisco--but that's an Episcopal church, so I guess it doesn't count. I could see Joe Sample or Herbie Hancock pulling it off. But Thelonius Monk? No way.<br /><br />You are right, that this is the kind of thing that only the soloists would be able to participate in at least on the exterior level. I don't think interior participation is necessarily inferior, but as McAuley said, this stuff just becomes entertainment.Robert Kumpelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10567786012498143419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11311793304871106282011-11-20T09:27:41.986-05:002011-11-20T09:27:41.986-05:00Father, you said -"But it just confirms what ...Father, you said -"But it just confirms what I already know from my Georgian experience of being a priest for over 31 years. When contemporary music is sung or led, the only ones actually singing are the soloists and their cohort and everyone else is just idly listening. No one participates except interiorly; but most of this stuff is not for contemplation"<br /><br />Amen! Most people view it as some sort of religious entertainment, and zone out onto other things -- for example, the recessional - most people are putting on their coats, thinking about getting to their car, where they are going after mass, the football game, etc. As for participation, contemporary lyrics are inane and not at all inspirational -- I remember one song that sang about rivers of water (from the spirit) flowing -- people began to race to the parish bathrooms, and the priest figured it out, and that song went bye, bye!<br /><br />James Ignatius McAuleyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52582757467743973422011-11-20T08:41:54.833-05:002011-11-20T08:41:54.833-05:00It seems to depend on the song. Some contemporary...It seems to depend on the song. Some contemporary music has been embraced enthusiastically and is sung lustily. Some is best forgotten.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com