tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post5774318271793193386..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: PRAYTELL, WHERE DID THE POST GO?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59639771274466442072017-11-26T15:24:30.141-05:002017-11-26T15:24:30.141-05:00Bernard Fischer, probably because those "libe...Bernard Fischer, probably because those "liberal" Catholics were trained by priests like Kavanaugh!TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-76062683894788652662017-11-26T13:43:58.051-05:002017-11-26T13:43:58.051-05:00You're welcome, Father.
Just wanted to point ...You're welcome, Father.<br /><br />Just wanted to point out that the "cult of personality" remark can be found in the last paragraph of the article. <br /><br />Blessed Sunday of Christ The King!<br /><br />Father Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11335819137759536022017-11-26T06:33:15.028-05:002017-11-26T06:33:15.028-05:00Thanks Fr. G. I noticed that the article mysteriou...Thanks Fr. G. I noticed that the article mysteriously reappeared this morning, but I think the "cult of the personality" remark was edited out of this paragraph, which nonetheless is insightful:<br /><br />This may be sufficient introduction to background reflection on several conversations regarding east-facing eucharistic celebrations and gender issues, prompted by conversations and shared experiences with students over the last year. First was the desire on the part of several presiders and other liturgical ministers for the presider to “get out of the way.” This is exacerbated in smaller buildings in which the tendency (arising from sight lines, audibility issues, or a general cluelessness) of some presiders to stand front and centre facing the community gives the impression that the singing, the creed, and the intercessory prayers are actually directed to the presider. Joined to the renewed focus in liturgical theology on God acting on us in liturgy, rather than the liturgy as something that we alone ‘do,’ the challenges of the placement of the one presiding throughout the liturgy have been increasingly questioned. In addition, the simultaneous reality that we offer “our sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving” not only through Christ but with Christ as ‘the Body’ has raised questions of what the whole of the gathering of the baptized offering praise and thanksgiving together actually looks like.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82771812390997973952017-11-26T05:31:01.337-05:002017-11-26T05:31:01.337-05:00Dialogue, this is what I found at the bottom of th...Dialogue, this is what I found at the bottom of the article:<br /><br />This entry was posted in Faith and tagged ad orientem, contemporary worship by sinaiticus. Bookmark the permalink.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30565029999023018812017-11-26T00:34:27.557-05:002017-11-26T00:34:27.557-05:00I believe this is the article. It has "the cu...I believe this is the article. It has "the cult of personality" reference: http://www.praytellblog.com/index.php/2017/11/22/paradoxes-of-our-ecclesiae-altars-women-and-ad-orientem/Father Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52966633507869699082017-11-25T19:20:22.662-05:002017-11-25T19:20:22.662-05:00I've attended a Lutheran church (Missouri Syno...I've attended a Lutheran church (Missouri Synod) a few times for weddings and funerals and when there's a "Lords Supper", the minister says the prayers over the host ad orientem. He also says a couple of other prayers ad orientem, but I never understood which ones they were.<br /><br />I attended a high church Episcopalian liturgy that was ad-orientem to the gills. While sitting in that church I was most likely sitting next to a gay couple, though they weren't married in they eyes of the state or anyone else at the time. They were oddly nonscandalized by ad orientem worship. It always amuses me why liberal Catholics heave and moan about "rigid restorationist" ad orientem worship when liberal Episcopalians don't.<br />GenXBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15298459502431357489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70813344294502891682017-11-25T11:53:36.291-05:002017-11-25T11:53:36.291-05:00Protestant 'reformers', who did know Latin... Protestant 'reformers', who did know Latin, came up with the 'hocus pocus' slur. They also referred to the Blessed Sacrament as 'Round Robin' or 'Jack-in-the-box'. The children's toy of that name came later, but examples survive with 'hocus pocus' engraved on the lid. <br /><br />In the Anglican Prayer Book service the priest is enjoined to stand at the north end of the table, presumably facing south. The 19th century Oxford Movement and subsequent reordering of churches reintroduced the ad orientem stance, but John Henry Newman, in his years as an Anglican priest, always followed the Prayer Book rubric.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4461478921380444282017-11-25T08:57:47.477-05:002017-11-25T08:57:47.477-05:00What is the source for the article that you do pos...What is the source for the article that you do post here? Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.com