tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post5381403922426434577..comments2024-03-28T16:23:19.433-04:00Comments on southern orders: MAKE NO MISTAKE, THE GLOVES HAVE COME OFF AND ONE WONDERS IF THE BISHOP OF ROME IS NOW SO COMPROMISED IF HE CAN ADEQUATELY TEACH, RULE AND SANCTIFY…Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54793144318298242162023-01-24T18:21:33.460-05:002023-01-24T18:21:33.460-05:00ByzRus,
I may have to travel to Oxford once again...ByzRus,<br /><br />I may have to travel to Oxford once again to see John Nolan. One of my old law partners is now a fellow at Oxford! So two delightful gents to see!TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11497480472965130922023-01-24T09:10:41.858-05:002023-01-24T09:10:41.858-05:00TJM,
Understood. My sense is some deference and ...<br />TJM,<br /><br />Understood. My sense is some deference and charity might be required here. This might be a little more than just antics. I think he's passionate about his beliefs not being sure how to distinguish between infallible teaching and doctrine, perhaps among other things. Simply stated, all is being considered as though it is "revealed truth". From his perspective, he's simply defending the faith per his understanding. Fr's gentle course corrections should help.<br /><br />I do miss John Nolan's insights.ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-58663539895689554952023-01-23T20:55:12.829-05:002023-01-23T20:55:12.829-05:00There is an article today at The New Liturgical Mo...There is an article today at The New Liturgical Movement which demonstrates the Novus Ordo has been a failure in Africa as well, a so-called bright spot in Captain Clueless’ world. I encourage him to go there and make his usual arguments why reality is wrong! Greg DiPippo will not be amused!TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71957337475876345562023-01-23T19:18:48.236-05:002023-01-23T19:18:48.236-05:00ByzRus,
I rarely read his nonsensical comments. M...ByzRus,<br /><br />I rarely read his nonsensical comments. My concern is that we have lost some great people who used to post here with great insights due to his puerile antics! John Nolan comes to mind. The one thing I like about The New Liturgical Movement is their willingness to toss certain provocateurs who post nonsense. TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51133465878384271532023-01-23T16:22:17.454-05:002023-01-23T16:22:17.454-05:00As one with some minor competence in history, I ca...As one with some minor competence in history, I can not help but note that many comments have been made over the centuries by the highest ranking clergy that are largely forgotten or ignored today. There seems a certain self selection on most of the aberrant and/or foolish comments that consigns them to the forgotten part of the collective memory. pueblosw@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04955678254129002919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71058435936809677702023-01-23T16:05:01.761-05:002023-01-23T16:05:01.761-05:00Father McDonald, what in regard to Pope Saint Pius...Father McDonald, what in regard to Pope Saint Pius X's exhortation is not in line with Church teaching?<br /><br />I appreciate your insight.<br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />Mark ThomasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-92084174562208954632023-01-23T15:59:30.769-05:002023-01-23T15:59:30.769-05:00Father McDonald, that which Pope Pius X declared h...Father McDonald, that which Pope Pius X declared had been reiterated for centuries by our holy Popes.<br /><br />There are Cardinals and bishops who have carried to our time Pope Pius X's exhortation to love and obey the Pope.<br /><br />Cardinal Pell: "The papacy is something, I believe, is willed by Christ and we have to respect the office, reverence the man and obey the papal directions."<br /><br />Cardinal Sarah's declaration: "The truth is that the church is represented on earth by the vicar of Christ, that is by the Pope. And whoever is against the Pope is, ipso facto, outside the church."<br /><br />But most important is that Holy Mother Church has declared that we are to submit to the Pope's God-given authority to teach, govern, and sanctify us.<br /><br />Holy Mother Church teaches most definitely that to hear the Pope is to hear Jesus Christ.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80185037742290918042023-01-23T15:41:36.520-05:002023-01-23T15:41:36.520-05:00TJM,
As much as I enjoy some of the chop busting ...TJM,<br /><br />As much as I enjoy some of the chop busting that we do here, I think a wider bearth is needed in this instance. Some hold fast to their beliefs and have a difficult time accepting otherwise. <br /><br />We probably should hang back and let Fr. handle it. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29490624125586439132023-01-23T14:43:42.457-05:002023-01-23T14:43:42.457-05:00Fr McDonald,
Wasting your breath - the papalator ...Fr McDonald,<br /><br />Wasting your breath - the papalator is a broken record. I suspect John Nolan could not take it any longer! TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36954178636843612472023-01-23T13:37:22.240-05:002023-01-23T13:37:22.240-05:00Mark, that is not an infallible teaching nor is it...Mark, that is not an infallible teaching nor is it doctrine. It is the recipe for abuse of all kinds. I don’t accept it and in fact I criticize that pope for saying it.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49651148946009307532023-01-23T13:16:55.421-05:002023-01-23T13:16:55.421-05:00Father McDonald, in regard to my supposed path tow...Father McDonald, in regard to my supposed path toward Fundamentalism:<br /><br />Does the following fall into the category of Fundamentalism?<br /><br />"Pope Saint Pius X:<br /><br />"Therefore, when we love the Pope, there are no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed;"<br /><br />"we do not place his orders in doubt...we do not limit the field in which he might and must exercise his authority;"<br /><br />"we do not set above the authority of the Pope that of other persons, however learned, who dissent from the Pope, who, even though learned, are not holy, because whoever is holy cannot dissent from the Pope."<br /><br />Thank You.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48699498296542574872023-01-23T13:10:28.801-05:002023-01-23T13:10:28.801-05:00TJM,
Our priest/moderator who, to me, is indirect...TJM,<br /><br />Our priest/moderator who, to me, is indirectly responsible for my spiritual welfare while I participate on his blog (e.g. our pastor) has provided counsel to MT in a previous posting. See "fundamentalist". This would not be the first time our priest has provided such counsel. If the response, should there be one, is obstinance, I would conclude that dialog of any sort, as a lay person, is simply not possible and I will avoid any going forward. I would suggest the same for any laity posting here. Fr. AJM can, of course, engage and minister to this or any other individual whose posts he publishes as he sees fit. <br /><br />To avoid harm, it's likely best that we avoid interaction deferring to those trained to provide guidance when and where it is needed.<br /><br /><br />ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48571469051804263992023-01-23T13:10:23.333-05:002023-01-23T13:10:23.333-05:00Father McDonald said..."Mark at 9:20 am, you ...Father McDonald said..."Mark at 9:20 am, you are becoming a fundamentalist Catholic..."<br /><br />Father McDonald, at 9:20 A.M., I had noted that which the Church has taught in regard the Papal Magisterium.<br /><br />I said that the "Vicar of Christ is under Divine protection. He is protected from teaching error. The Papal Magisterium will never fail. Holy Mother Church, as She reiterated at Vatican II, has guaranteed that he who hears the Pope, hears, in turn, Jesus Christ."<br /><br />Father McDonald, that constitutes Fundamentalism?<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68964798073034598372023-01-23T13:08:38.976-05:002023-01-23T13:08:38.976-05:00ByzRus..."The pope enjoys institutional doctr...ByzRus..."The pope enjoys institutional doctrinal protections, not divine."<br /><br />The Pope does not enjoy divine protection? The True Church teaches otherwise. But let us pretend that you are correct. Therefore, the Pope enjoys man-made protection.<br /><br />Jesus Christ has built His Church upon the Rock of Saint Peter. The Church teaches that Jesus Christ protects Saint Peter/successors. <br /><br />However, ByzRus, you have insisted that the Pope does not enjoys Divine protection. Therefore, the Papacy has been built upon sand.<br /><br />Please correct me if I have misrepresented your comment in question.<br /><br />Thank you.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81204800077673802792023-01-23T12:53:35.230-05:002023-01-23T12:53:35.230-05:00Mark, again you pastor while you occupy this Page ...Mark, again you pastor while you occupy this Page has provided guidance. <br /><br />Being both receptive to that guidance as well as contrite would be the most reasonable and appropriate response you could give. Thoughts?<br /><br />ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11147734361274364022023-01-23T11:39:22.498-05:002023-01-23T11:39:22.498-05:00Funny, that our resident papalator does not recogn...Funny, that our resident papalator does not recognize this pope is a ModernistTJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68796618791335543042023-01-23T10:00:02.100-05:002023-01-23T10:00:02.100-05:00Agree to disagree, Mark.
The pope enjoys institut...Agree to disagree, Mark.<br /><br />The pope enjoys institutional doctrinal protections, not divine. To the best of my knowledge, only the Buddhists believe their leader to be an incarnation.<br /><br />Canon law allows for the removal of a pope should his actions be deemed heretical.<br /><br />ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22228350853532355512023-01-23T09:52:58.722-05:002023-01-23T09:52:58.722-05:00Mark at 9:20 am, you are becoming a fundamentalist...Mark at 9:20 am, you are becoming a fundamentalist Catholic, We know that Pope Francis has warned against fundamentalism in the Church, be it left wing or right wing. By being a fundamentalist, you skew what the Church teaches about the Magisterium of the pope and bishops. <br /><br />No pope can make up new teachings our of whole cloth and then declare it infallible. There has to be some belief in what is “dogmatized” in any infallible statement, be it from the pope alone or the pope and bishops together in an ecumenical council. There has to be belief in it from the earliest beginnings of the Church. That was and is the case with the only two infallible dogmatic statements by pope alone, that of the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary. <br /><br />Such a statement has to be declared as infallible not implied. There are no new infallible statements in Vatican II, although infallible teachings are reiterated. Newer teachings aren’t dogma, since these do not have the seal of “infallibility” on them. These are theologies. <br /><br />Thus far this pope has made no infallible statements, thanks be to God. He can be wrong on the scientific cause of climate change. His political perspective can be ignored, debated and rejected. <br /><br />He can’t infallibly declare the weather or how weather patterns change, either by natural processes or human activity. <br /><br />He can’t make his synodal way infallible. <br /><br />Fundamentalism as it regards any pope occurs when one applies a “creeping” infallibility to any pope on matters of discipline. Our teachings are out in the open. No pope and no bishop has an inside track to the truth. Any CAtholic from the most uneducated to the most educated can find what the Church teaches independently of any particular pope or bishop. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-172073011155095522023-01-23T09:49:17.086-05:002023-01-23T09:49:17.086-05:00So what's more pathetic: The idolatry of a Co...So what's more pathetic: The idolatry of a Council, or the idolatry of a pope?Jerome Merwickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06683692768402865052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81599136892645902772023-01-23T09:37:46.443-05:002023-01-23T09:37:46.443-05:00ByzRus, when Pope Saint Pius X uttered the words t...ByzRus, when Pope Saint Pius X uttered the words that I had quoted, he insisted that Modernism had laid waste to the Church.<br /><br />His Papal authority was under siege within the Church.<br /><br />If you read Pope Saint Pius X's full exhortation in question, then you will encounter the following lament:<br /><br />"It seems incredible, and is even painful, that there be priests to whom this recommendation must be made, but we are regrettably in our age in this hard, unhappy, situation of having to tell priests: love the Pope!"<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-76727475807974772202023-01-23T09:20:15.866-05:002023-01-23T09:20:15.866-05:00ByzRus, the Vicar of Christ is under Divine protec...ByzRus, the Vicar of Christ is under Divine protection. He is protected from teaching error.<br /><br />Therefore, your example — what if the Pope "we're to decree that transubstantiation is invalid and the elements are mere symbols" — is illogical.<br /><br />The Papal Magisterium will never fail.<br /><br />Holy Mother Church, as She reiterated at Vatican II, has guaranteed that he who hears the Pope, hears, in turn, Jesus Christ.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36946440720004540512023-01-23T08:15:21.307-05:002023-01-23T08:15:21.307-05:00ByrRus,
MT would not know Catholicism 101 if it b...ByrRus,<br /><br />MT would not know Catholicism 101 if it bit him in the posterior. Best to ignore this grossly malformed in the Faith person.TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21008705800051789592023-01-22T19:08:03.878-05:002023-01-22T19:08:03.878-05:00Mark Thomas,
If, tomorrow, the pope we're to ...Mark Thomas,<br /><br />If, tomorrow, the pope we're to decree that transubstantiation is invalid and the elements are mere symbols and part of a reenactment, would you be with the pope for the reasons you provided? <br /><br />At the time Pius uttered these words, the turmoil most here have experienced during their Catholic lifetimes would have been unthinkable. Had this blog existed at that time, it would have likely been limited to Catholic eye candy pics as no one would have known any better. I wish current circumstances were different such that this type of dialogue would be unheard-of. This is not the reality for some. <br /><br />Please note that nothing schismatic, or satanic occurs on this blog despite you declarations to the contrary.<br /><br />I'll now resume being a Christ-centered orthodox sinner with, evidently, some pronounced Orthodox tendencies.<br /><br />ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-38919571457665874722023-01-22T18:14:34.246-05:002023-01-22T18:14:34.246-05:00I said..."But those who desire to stand with ...I said..."But those who desire to stand with Jesus Christ will, in turn, stand with Pope Francis."<br /><br />ByzRus said..."I really resent this. Grow up, Mark Thomas, and open your mind to more than out of context quotations. Making "God-Man" out of a human who was elected by men is a cult of personality."<br /><br />To stand with Jesus Christ requires one to stand with the Pope. That is Catholicism 101.<br /><br />ByzRus, always recall the following from Pope Saint Pius X. This will keep you close to the Pope:<br /><br />"Therefore, when we love the Pope, there are no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed;"<br /><br />"we do not place his orders in doubt...we do not limit the field in which he might and must exercise his authority;"<br /><br />"we do not set above the authority of the Pope that of other persons, however learned, who dissent from the Pope, who, even though learned, are not holy, because whoever is holy cannot dissent from the Pope."<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62852038268796787642023-01-22T15:26:44.966-05:002023-01-22T15:26:44.966-05:00ByzRus,
Alas, MT’s robotic responses are tiring. ...ByzRus,<br /><br />Alas, MT’s robotic responses are tiring. Mouthing off about the rightwing, you know, the people who oppose abortion, gay marriage and transgenderism is very telling. He never acknowledges the Left supports the foregoing intrinsic evils. He is the original empty suit. I think from now on I will just ignore him. He can sit in momma’s basement all by himselfTJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.com