tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post4962195342244018683..comments2024-03-28T05:17:04.006-04:00Comments on southern orders: FATHER ROBERT TAFT, SJ, STRIKES A SOUND CHORD AND MIDDLE OF THE ROAD APPROACH TO VATICAN II AND LITURGICAL REFORM--I LIKE HIM ALTHOUGH I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAYS, HE DOES SAY IT SOUNDLYFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51109943420945090242012-04-27T21:00:23.694-04:002012-04-27T21:00:23.694-04:00Fr Taft is misrepresenting the situation immediate...Fr Taft is misrepresenting the situation immediately after V II. There simply wasn't time for the proposed changes to be considered in a 'spirit of complete collegiality'. In 1964/5 the Mass was considerably altered, much of it being put into the vernacular and with lay people reading the lessons from the ambo; versus populum started to become the norm. In 1967 the classic Roman Mass was effectively abandoned; the Canon was now in the vernacular and recited aloud, the gestures traditional to it (signs of the cross, genuflections) mostly removed, and the Communion rite changed to its present form. The NO arrived three years later. Compare that timescale to the time it has taken simply to retranslate the missal.<br /><br />Such a revolution can only be imposed from above. The then Cardinal Archbishop of Westminster, John Carmel Heenan, was no reactionary, but was dismayed at the sweeping and seemingly arbitrary changes; however he had to trust that Rome knew best - you may not like the orders, he said, but you have to obey them. We know about the Ottaviani intervention and Paul VI stepping in at the last minute to save the Orate Fratres and the Roman Canon (the latter was central to all the Western rites for a millennium and a half but was not going to be allowed even as an option).John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83126114575029494152012-04-27T17:25:06.073-04:002012-04-27T17:25:06.073-04:00I've seen this interview elsewhere and I still...I've seen this interview elsewhere and I still find it mind boggling. The man is clueless. The Novus Ordo was a success!!! By what standard? Certainly by no measurable one since most Catholics no longer attend Mass on a regular basis and even when they do, most of them don't believe in the Real Presence or even know they are supposed to believe in it, since no one ever bothered to tell them. And he think it is marvelous that every Sunday millions of unconfessed Catholics in an objective state of mortal sin are taking communion now? And as for the creation of the Novus Ordo, someone please send this man a copy of Father Anthony Cekada's The Work of Human Hands. Father Cekada provides ample evidence of the chicanery and intellectual dishonesty of Bugnini and his merry band. Once again we see that advanced degrees are no guarantee of intelligence, or even common sense. I am sorry to be so blunt, but this man is a fool. And I don't mean a holy fool.Tawserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823690750419031274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81123914046083091462012-04-25T15:13:23.308-04:002012-04-25T15:13:23.308-04:001) Father Taft is lying to himself and to others.
...1) Father Taft is lying to himself and to others.<br /><br />2) This artticle is 3 years old but reads like it's 10 years old. All that has been happening these past 3 years under scores just how wrong he was and is.<br /><br />3) I can't wait for the SSPX to be released upon the Catholic world. Every Diocese they move into will send Bishops scrambling to tack to the right in new found Orthodoxy so they don't lose their flocks.Templarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18204866760862707908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8892752364038478652012-04-25T13:05:57.060-04:002012-04-25T13:05:57.060-04:00I don't really see his point. What is it? Th...I don't really see his point. What is it? This is an article devoid of any real argument. If he wants to write something himself, a real and factually-based argument, I'll listen.ytcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-16669559923402552962012-04-25T09:52:25.715-04:002012-04-25T09:52:25.715-04:00He thinks the USCCB should be a synodical body tha...He thinks the USCCB should be a synodical body that elects/appoints Bishops all over the country. He is a hopeless academic, saying much while saying nothing. For instance, "Tradition is the life of the Church today in dynamic continuity with all that has come before. Tradition is now." Academics just love phrases like "dynamic continuity." It is the same phrase that US Constitutional de-constructionists, neo-Prot modernist Bible critics, and liturgical de-constructionists use. And, what, pray tell does "tradition is now" mean? Sounds like a bumper sticker. Taft isn't someone I'd give much time to. I only read as far as the "dynamic continuity" quote, then looked him up on some Catholic sites. His latest crisis is the relationship of Uniate Churches and East/West stuff. The Eastern folks made him some kind of honorary high muckety-muck (Arch-mandrake or something), so he's onto that for now.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10789959050175985292012-04-25T09:48:37.546-04:002012-04-25T09:48:37.546-04:00Although Fr. Taft is a legitimate liturgical schol...Although Fr. Taft is a legitimate liturgical scholar, in providing intellectual underpinning for the "diversity" rampant in the liturgy today, he illustrates the problem rather than the solution. Even so, in this interview I sense a descent to the level of U.S. Catholic--maybe even lower than the National Catholic Reporter. (Or perhaps I suffer from knowing too much about the editor and interviewer, native of a local parish and graduate of the local Catholic high school.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85894750173026183392012-04-25T09:41:02.512-04:002012-04-25T09:41:02.512-04:00What a joke. The article is a complete denial of t...What a joke. The article is a complete denial of the tragic events in the life of the Church after Vat II. It doesn't acknowledge any of it. I won't even debate his points, the Church's are empty. Most of them anyways except for a few, very few, brighter spots. Empty Churches speak to the empty Liturgy that the Pope himself has referred to as a "banal, on the spot product". Enough said.Gregorian Massnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83084024326924382092012-04-25T09:13:55.153-04:002012-04-25T09:13:55.153-04:00It looks to me that Fr. Taft enjoys seeing many di...It looks to me that Fr. Taft enjoys seeing many different forms of the liturgy, and has developed an arguement to try to justify his position. It doesn't neccessarily make him right, but as a scholar it makes him feel better about himself.Carol H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02475843499648488542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-79378632534095562532012-04-25T08:57:29.400-04:002012-04-25T08:57:29.400-04:00Sorry, Fr. McDonald I don't share your like fo...Sorry, Fr. McDonald I don't share your like for Fr. Taft. He seems too intoxicated with typical Jesuit arrogance to present a truthful argument. It is not only the SSPX desiring the Usus Antiquior, nor are the people who attend this liturgy sedevacantists. Someone as informed as he to make such absurd statements can only be motivated from malice. As the average age of a Jesuit is nearing mid-seventies they will either reform or become extinct. This interview is a clear example of their dire situation.Kitchener Waterloo Traditional Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05841918177526232804noreply@blogger.com