tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post4559858372705931979..comments2024-03-28T09:14:32.869-04:00Comments on southern orders: CARDINAL DOLAN IT IS WAY PAST TIME FOR YOU TO EXCOMMUNICATE HIS A--, I MEAN, HIS DERRIEREFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11863244894037990922019-02-02T23:00:02.725-05:002019-02-02T23:00:02.725-05:00John Nolan,
Ed Peters is an orthodox Catholic and...John Nolan,<br /><br />Ed Peters is an orthodox Catholic and an excellent canonist. He points out the regrettable "gaps" in current Canon Law to deal with truly reprehensible "Catholics" like Governor Cuomo and Nasty Pelosi who both misuse religion for political purposes. It is repulsive that they claim to be Catholic when clearly they are not. Hitler was "catholic" too for what that is worth. However, what is even more egregious is that we have bishops like that glad hander, Archbishop Dolan of New York, who sits on his hands and does nothing. He also did nothing when homosexual priests were assaulting young men's anuses. I do not know the situation in England, but I would say the Catholic Church in the US is approaching the terminal stage. My own children view it as corrupt and a total joke, notwithstanding my pleas to stay the course. I worry that they represent the majority view.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-44427658382905152912019-02-01T14:06:42.343-05:002019-02-01T14:06:42.343-05:00Most excommunications are latae sententiae. Procur...Most excommunications are latae sententiae. Procuring an abortion incurs such a penalty. But if a woman repents and confesses her sin the excommunication, which is not reserved to the Holy See, may be lifted by the confessor subject to the approval of the local ordinary.<br /><br />The canonist Ed Peters has questioned whether many latae sententiae excommunications are valid in canon law. The SSPX is a case in point. They did not believe the 1988 excommunications were valid, and if there is doubt (and there certainly is) canon law gives the benefit of the doubt to the accused.<br /><br />He believes that ferendae sententiae excommunications, rare at present, should be resorted to more frequently. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85099324074114626022019-01-31T09:19:46.844-05:002019-01-31T09:19:46.844-05:00Anonymous at 5:52,
Yes, the problem is the voters...Anonymous at 5:52,<br /><br />Yes, the problem is the voters, like alleged catholics, Kavanaugh and Anonymous 2, vote for these thugs. TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-17720333554747703382019-01-30T17:52:04.811-05:002019-01-30T17:52:04.811-05:00As I have said, maybe we need to blame the voters ...As I have said, maybe we need to blame the voters (for the Cuomo debacle). He did not seize power in a coup; instead he was freely elected to the position in a reliably Democratic state. I suspect the voters knew very well his abortion position---how could they not?---and elected him anyway. An unfortunate state of affairs....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30461809179655501412019-01-30T17:03:36.020-05:002019-01-30T17:03:36.020-05:00"And you are convinced that public excommunic..."And you are convinced that public excommunication is the right thing."<br /><br />No, I am not. I'm not a canon lawyer trained to know which remedy is most appropriate. Evidently, there are other options as provided by Fr. AJM. A reasonable person would conclude, however, that some remedy needs to be applied to either realign the Governor's actions (past and anticipated) with the precepts of the Church or, formally sanction/separate the Governor so that the people of faith have faith that the precepts of the Church are upheld regardless of political ramification or, optics. <br /><br />"Yes, you are angry because the hierarchy will not do what you want them to do."<br /><br />Do not presume to know what I am or, am not angry about and the reason why. Awfully presumptuous. By no means am I stomping my feet and breaking my crayons because I did not get my way. Rather, I am disappointed by the weak response as, it sews the seeds of confusion among, as noted by Fr. AJM, Catholics of good will who then rightly question the compromised standard applied to a public figure vs the standard to which they live by and are held accountable to in the confessional. <br />ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2785476255372528672019-01-30T16:37:37.450-05:002019-01-30T16:37:37.450-05:00The bishops either need to use the crozier they ha...The bishops either need to use the crozier they have in their hands to protect/discipline the flock or put the crozier in the hands of someone that will, enough is enough!<br /><br />Bishops unwilling/incapable of disciplining their own house is exactly why we're in this state today. Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69468851593200239162019-01-30T16:29:24.204-05:002019-01-30T16:29:24.204-05:00Anonymous Kavanaugh is feeling very sensitive toda...Anonymous Kavanaugh is feeling very sensitive today likely over the legislation introduced by his Party over in Virginia authorizing the killing of babies coming out of the birth canal. TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89319787051578867182019-01-30T16:17:41.511-05:002019-01-30T16:17:41.511-05:00When a bishop of a diocese in which a person like ...When a bishop of a diocese in which a person like Gov. Cuomo lives doesn't do anything but pronounce words of disappointment with little anger accompanying those words, then yes, I hope you are angry. Excommunication is one option, another is censure and another option I only read about today is a canonical trial of heresy directed at the governor.<br /><br />He cares not I suspect what sanctions any bishop might place against him, but it sure would send a powerful message to faithful Catholics if a bishop did something other than wring his hands. <br /><br />Angry, yes, there is a lot of anger against bishops on many different levels and this is only one. Catholics of good will should be angry if they don't do what is right. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14192999392187733722019-01-30T16:02:31.621-05:002019-01-30T16:02:31.621-05:00"We want them to do the right thing. Am I mis..."We want them to do the right thing. Am I missing something that would lead one to another conclusion???"<br /><br />And you are convinced that public excommunication is the right thing.<br /><br />Many are convinced that it is not the right thing.<br /><br />Good arguments can be made on both sides.<br /><br />Yes, you are angry because the hierarchy will not do what you want them to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83198284404870412722019-01-30T15:17:33.511-05:002019-01-30T15:17:33.511-05:00"You are angry not because the hierarchy has ..."You are angry not because the hierarchy has not done their job, you are angry because they don't do what you want them to do."<br /><br />We want them to do the right thing. Am I missing something that would lead one to another conclusion???ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1562936216280757682019-01-30T15:13:07.443-05:002019-01-30T15:13:07.443-05:00Mark Thomas-
It would be unfortunate if excommuni...Mark Thomas-<br /><br />It would be unfortunate if excommunication were to have "zero" meaning to Governor Cuomo. At the end of the day, the Governor, by his actions, has chosen to separate himself from the Church. This is nothing the Church desires. Perhaps, in time, he will have a change-of-heart, repent and, even be invited to rejoin - let us hope this happens. Until then, and given what has occurred, rules must be enforced so that people have faith that the Church upholds its own teachings. The optics of excommunication are irrelevant to the issue at hand. The so-called left and right of the Church are irrelevant to the specific matter that should be addressed for the good of the Church. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75553119579289435812019-01-30T11:33:53.928-05:002019-01-30T11:33:53.928-05:00Hey fake catholics posting here, one of your Dems ...Hey fake catholics posting here, one of your Dems is trying to introduce a bill in Virginia to allow an abortion while the baby is coming out of the birth canal:<br /><br />https://hotair.com/archives/2019/01/29/virginia-democrat-introduces-bill-allow-abortion-moment-birth/<br /><br />Have you no shame, have you no decency? If PF had any cojones he would condemn the modern Democratic Party like Pius XI did the Nazis, Commies, and Fascists. TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-852013753026069802019-01-30T11:25:54.084-05:002019-01-30T11:25:54.084-05:00"I think the essential point you are missing ..."I think the essential point you are missing is that the hierarchy has done such an abysmal job...<br /><br />It is VERY easy and VERY convenient to blame the hierarchy. Scapegoating is as old as sin. Adam blamed Eve, Eve blamed the serpent. It is always someone else's fault.<br /><br />You are angry not because the hierarchy has not done their job, you are angry because they don't do what you want them to do.<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-26394195332606797252019-01-30T11:11:19.344-05:002019-01-30T11:11:19.344-05:00Anyway, I'm really, really, REALLY, tired of w...Anyway, I'm really, really, REALLY, tired of whatever this thing is that we are still calling the "true" Church. I'm thinking it was infiltrated by liars (and THE liar) a very long time ago.<br /><br />Peace to you all. I think I am finally done with it.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01504517769804159508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34473962399610889592019-01-30T11:07:12.879-05:002019-01-30T11:07:12.879-05:00MT... it's not so much that Coumo would bow, o...MT... it's not so much that Coumo would bow, or care, that the Church excommunicated him. It's that an excommunication would mean that the Church takes Herself and Her teachings seriously. As it is, it doesn't even seem that Francis takes it seriously.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01504517769804159508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73620989556460347032019-01-30T10:58:02.959-05:002019-01-30T10:58:02.959-05:00Anonymous,
But excommunication is intended to be ...Anonymous,<br /><br />But excommunication is intended to be a medicinal approach, not a final solution. <br /><br />I think the essential point you are missing is that the hierarchy has done such an abysmal job since Vatican Disaster II. The Faithful are rightfully frustrated and are crying out for shepherds to defend the Faith and lead the Faithful, which clearly, they are not. Dolan is just another timeserver who wants to be loved by his natural enemies who are evil.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60794567717013191022019-01-30T10:53:48.922-05:002019-01-30T10:53:48.922-05:00"Even good Fr. McDonald".... In a previo..."Even good Fr. McDonald".... In a previous post I spoke of the need for righteous anger in many cases, like priests abusing minors--they need to be laicized as a punishment from the Church and civil law needs to throw their "a--'s" in jail. they need punishment. Mercy can follow in one form or another after the punishment has been inflicted or served. <br /><br />Gov. Cuomo is enabling the worst kind of infanticide under the guise of women's rights. It is murder pure and simply that he is enabling and there are those quite willing to do the murders, similar to those in Nazi concentration camps who had no qualms about killing the Jews on masse. <br /><br />Should any of us be angry about this. Your damn right. And if you aren't then you have no conscience. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31260236402403940892019-01-30T10:09:23.524-05:002019-01-30T10:09:23.524-05:00It seems that the "Traditional" Catholic...It seems that the "Traditional" Catholics here are not calling for a medicinal approach to correcting errors, but to one that imposes pain on the person subjected to a penalty. They are hoping he suffers.<br /><br />Even "good" Father McDonald wants Cuomo's "a--" excommunicated. That hardly indicates a desire for healing. Read the other comments - folks are out for blood.<br /><br />I don't need someone to tell me that Johan or Isolde has been excommunicated to know what the faith teaches or to take comfort in God's presence in me and in His Church. My assurance comes from the Lord, not from some penalty foisted on a politician.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-16212777673885478022019-01-30T09:53:04.428-05:002019-01-30T09:53:04.428-05:00I have not heard the American Medical Association,...I have not heard the American Medical Association, Health Care Unions, Public Service Unions arguing against Cuomo ‘ s Abortion Agenda: they all profit from it.That should give reason for the Church’s leaders to be particularly angry and vocal about this. It is unchecked, not challenged and by political standards unopposed. It also occurred to me that if Pelosi is the Queen of Sodom(San Francisco) Cuomo is the Prince of Gamorah (New York) That is our leadership. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49360722016512455392019-01-30T09:32:30.574-05:002019-01-30T09:32:30.574-05:00Anonymous at 8:53
Precisely. MT is intellectually...Anonymous at 8:53<br /><br />Precisely. MT is intellectually confused, very confused. The left repudiates almost all of the Church's teachings, support abortion and gay marriage, but he is focused on the so-called "right-wing", those folks who adhere to Church teaching and worship at the EF. <br /><br />It is my position, that if Cardinal Cushing had censored or excommunicated Ted Kennedy, at a time when the Church still held great influence over American Catholics, many of whom were Democrats, the Democratic Party may have not morphed into the Party of Death. I was a Democrat when I was young but what pushed me over the edge was when the late Governor Casey of Pennsylvania was NOT PERMITTED by the so-called big-tent liberal party to appear on stage at the Democratic National Convention. That's when I knew the evil crazies had taken over the Party. Governor Casey's son, now a Senator from PA, is a fake catholic who obviously cares more about getting elected than honoring his Church and his late father's memory. TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-65657237676727158002019-01-30T09:19:27.603-05:002019-01-30T09:19:27.603-05:00Anonymous at January 30, 2019 at 8:53 AM...
I am ...Anonymous at January 30, 2019 at 8:53 AM...<br /><br />I am not opposed to Holy Mother Church excommunicating Governor Cuomo. I will accept the Church's decision in regard to the manner in which She will deal with Governor Cuomo.<br /><br />The medicinal effect of an excommunication would pertain to the small amount, speaking relatively, of Catholics who take seriously Church teaching. But then, said folks don't require such "medicine" as they obey Holy Mother Church.<br /><br />As he belongs to one of the Church's two extreme wings, the left-wing, excommunication would have Z-E-R-O meaning to Governor Cuomo. <br /><br />He will laugh at the notion that, at least to his way of thinking, Churchmen who have aided (supposedly) priests who've abused people sexually have the moral authority to excommunicate him.<br /><br />He is akin to right-wing "traditional" Catholics who boast daily on their blogs/twitter that "Bergolgio," as well as "Bergolio Cardinals," and "Bergoglio bishops," do not possess the God-given authority to teach, govern, and sanctify "traditional" Catholics.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81165014983140366332019-01-30T08:58:23.692-05:002019-01-30T08:58:23.692-05:00It is interesting to encounter "traditional C...It is interesting to encounter "traditional Catholic", I-am-free-to-resist-Bergoglio...I-am-free-to-resist-my-New-Church-modernist-Novus-Ordo-Vatican-II-bishop's-authority," bloggers/Twitter folks who've called for Governor Cuomo's excommunication.<br /><br />Said folks daily mock, bash, and trash the Vicar of Christ, and one "New Church," "Bergoglio" Cardinal and bishop after another. <br /><br />Said folks have declared that they are free to resist Pope Francis', as well as our bishops in communion with His Holiness, God-given authority to teach, govern, and sanctify the Holy People of God.<br /><br />Said folks have claimed the "right" to resist the Magisterium. However, said folks have insisted that Governor Cuomo must bow to the authority that God has granted unto Popes, Cardinals, and bishops.<br /><br />Should he face excommunication, Governor Cuomo will play the game that "traditional" Catholics play. That is, he will laugh at the notion that our Churchmen have the authority to teach, govern, and sanctify him.<br /><br />He will play the Archbishop/SSPX card. That is, he will view his excommunication as a "badge of honor."<br /><br />That is the sorry state of the Church's two extreme wings. <br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2683562284473678802019-01-30T08:53:20.119-05:002019-01-30T08:53:20.119-05:00MT, you and Cardinal Dolan forget the medicinal ef...MT, you and Cardinal Dolan forget the medicinal effect on the rest of the Catholics in the US that would come from a canonical penalty on Cuomo: the assurance that being a Catholic means something. That you can't just believe whatever you want and call yourself "Catholic". <br /><br />By your logic, no one would ever react to anything anyone ever did. <br /><br />By your logic, you are wasting your time calling out Traditional Catholics on the good Father's blog: they don't care what you think so why bother?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20240637811932950882019-01-30T08:16:41.303-05:002019-01-30T08:16:41.303-05:00Worth a read is the following, condemning "st...Worth a read is the following, condemning "steak and eggs bishop" Dolan written by a journalist who is a practicing Catholic:<br /><br />https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/01/catholic_church_leaders_are_a_bunch_of_cowards.html<br /><br />MT.<br /><br />Take your meds. Even for you your recent post is particularly unhinged and unteathered from reality. "Right-wing" Catholics believe what the Church teaches, the left-wing does not, including PF and his looney, left-wing crew of apostates he surrounds himself with. By the way, did PF ever discipline the Vatican clerics involved in the cocaine fueled, gay sex scandal? You really owe us an answer.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-87800805907694314942019-01-29T23:20:05.318-05:002019-01-29T23:20:05.318-05:00I question the wisdom of letting liberal progressi...I question the wisdom of letting liberal progressive politicians define Catholicism , but that is a goal. Cuomo’s abortion law was a reaction to the Supreme Court, His liberal government is also unchecked by an opposing party. Cardinal Dolan could be that opposition. Yes , the Cuomo administration does contain other progressive Catholics, they will use that word. They are skilled politicians. Pope Francis has said nothing about the Cuomo Abortion Act? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com