tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post4545863759089922785..comments2024-03-28T01:50:39.781-04:00Comments on southern orders: HOW POPE FRANCIS SUCCUMBED TO CLERLICALIZING THE LAITY WHO GLADLY WANT TO BE?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86643768128399121202021-01-13T12:40:33.452-05:002021-01-13T12:40:33.452-05:00It's beyond satire. I realize that lay readers...It's beyond satire. I realize that lay readers are referred to as 'lectors' in the United States. There and elsewhere they stroll up to the lectern and read the first two lections in the OF, plus the RP and so-called Gospel acclamation. Sometimes well, often badly.<br /><br />How many are competent to sing the first two readings? Very few. So we are encouraging the laity to perform functions for which they are not suited. Come to think of it, how many permanent deacons actually sing the Gospel in Latin or the vernacular? It should go with the dalmatic, but clearly doesn't.<br /><br />It is hardly surprising that our Eastern brethren hold the modern liturgical practice of the RC Church in contempt. <br /><br />As do I, as experienced in most places.<br /><br /> John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48157810333947821972021-01-12T20:32:22.803-05:002021-01-12T20:32:22.803-05:00I am thinking how prior, it was specifically state...I am thinking how prior, it was specifically stated by Rome that folk who were lectors were NOT to have that duty as some regular job, but that as many competent and various a folk as possible be given a shot, to prevent blurring of priestly and lay, lest these folk see themselves as holding some true office and be some manner of bigshot over other lay members...<br /><br />Of course the exact opposite happened, and just TRY to be a lector at most parishes..."so sorry, we really have no open slots just now...so sorry, it takes SPECIAL training and we are not scheduling any training just now."<br /><br />Bergoglio just institutionalized this state throughout the Church, not just A local church.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-32286691714488052021-01-12T15:39:35.689-05:002021-01-12T15:39:35.689-05:00I regularly see priests function as deacons, subde...I regularly see priests function as deacons, subdeacons and MCs in both forms of the Roman Rite. I recall singing in a schola for an EF sung Requiem and a priest acted as cantor. Like the rest of us he wore clerical choir dress (we were singing in the sanctuary) but unlike the rest of us he was not substituting for a cleric!<br /><br />Recently we had a permanent deacon who regularly assisted at an EF Missa Cantata. He sang the Epistle (without diaconal stole) and the celebrant sang the Gospel.<br /><br />In traditional monasteries priests serve Mass for other priests - a laudable custom. Choosing some members of the laity over others based on conferred 'status' rather than acquired skills, such as serving or singing, is not a good idea. I suspect there will be someone without humility who will 'try it on', and it is up to the parish priest to tell her she is out of order.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-87251700925360835472021-01-12T11:26:45.926-05:002021-01-12T11:26:45.926-05:00Mixing apples and oranges. So don't talk about...Mixing apples and oranges. So don't talk about secular jobs in anyway being equal to church volunteer ministries. <br /><br />We are speaking now of permanently installing lay people into the formal ministry of lector and acolyte. When that person moves from one parish to the other, do they have a right to continue since it is the bishop's designation, not the pastor's. <br /><br />If a deacon is assigned to a parish, the pastor can't make him do something lesser at the liturgy, like be an altar server and not proclaim the gospel or the other deacon jobs. <br /><br />Can you make an installed lector or acolyte be a choir member or usher instead? <br /><br />Can you only be one, a lector or acolyte but not both?<br /><br />Since it is now under the domain of the bishop, these two lay ministries are now under his supervision and guidelines and no longer how we have managed it since laity could be readers or Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion or adult servers.<br /><br />Clericalization will be taking place!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25096791480543878162021-01-12T10:55:31.259-05:002021-01-12T10:55:31.259-05:00Is choosing, training, and employing a bank teller...Is choosing, training, and employing a bank teller to perform a teller's usual duties turning that individual into a branch manager, bank president, or director of human resources?<br /><br />No. <br /><br />Neither is choosing, training, and assigning a Lector or Eucharistic Minister to perform the usual duties of that post into a priest, pastor, or cleric of any kind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com