tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post4335678838154401718..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: THE FRUIT OF HORIZONTAL WORSHIP AT MASSFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-12326611226222791082010-03-25T11:45:57.793-04:002010-03-25T11:45:57.793-04:00How true! The correct focus really was diminished/...How true! The correct focus really was diminished/lost when the celebrant started facing the congregation. And it is even worse with a church in the round with the congregation facing each other or with a choir up in the front.Michelanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23425097739554352532010-03-24T13:36:51.455-04:002010-03-24T13:36:51.455-04:00Of interest...more of what the "horizontal le...Of interest...more of what the "horizontal leads to:<br />http://www.thefinancialskinny.com/catholicchurch.htmlGenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31904387946728984942010-03-24T11:07:12.652-04:002010-03-24T11:07:12.652-04:00To both Henry and Marc, by norm I do mean custom t...To both Henry and Marc, by norm I do mean custom that is worldwide and even embraced by every Pope since Paul VI and now Benedict XVI. He's ventured out a bit, but of course by way of example, but first to bishops who have authority over the liturgy in their dioceses. So I think priests should respect the wishes of their bishop in this regard, some who will allow it and others who won't until a more direct permission to every priest is given like the EF Mass in Summorum Pontificum. But I cannot even imagine having this conversation now and putting it on my blog if not for Pope Benedict and the realization that facing the people has corrupted the nature of the celebration of the Mass and focused attention too much on the priest and the congregation. It has made the Mass and Church look like the set and show of the Tonight Show or David Letterman--not good, not good at all.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48525326780756801542010-03-24T10:53:35.363-04:002010-03-24T10:53:35.363-04:00I wait, with bated breath, for the counter argumen...I wait, with bated breath, for the counter argument from Pater Ignotus, whose superior intelligence and magnanimous piety have so blessed us with the golden drippings from his oracular tongue (not in Latin, of course).Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2934937550471802212010-03-24T10:27:09.433-04:002010-03-24T10:27:09.433-04:00... since facing the people is the norm right now ...<b>... since facing the people is the norm right now for the OF Mass.</b><br /><br />I assume you mean "norm" in the descriptive rather than the legislative or prescriptive sense. I know of nothing in the 2002 Missale Romanum nor even the GIRM that directs versus populum celebration.Henry Edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68380208609867720852010-03-24T09:52:06.635-04:002010-03-24T09:52:06.635-04:00We definitely don't want to go against our Bis...We definitely don't want to go against our Bishop! I wasn't considering that aspect of the situation.<br /><br />Isn't there some speculation that Pope Benedict XVI may celebrate the OF ad orientem at the Easter Vigil or something to that effect? You posted about that speculation a couple weeks ago, but I haven't seen anything about that since then...Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4210791509551558612010-03-24T09:38:55.538-04:002010-03-24T09:38:55.538-04:00Yes, indeed, I surely can speak to this post at a ...Yes, indeed, I surely can speak to this post at a personal level! In our parish (to which our family came in 1977) is a priest who, for over five years, has exhibited behaviors that are extremely questionable both during and outside of the Liturgy. When he celebrates (at Mass and otherwise), I didn't! It at times, led me into very dark times spiritually. I became fed up with my sinfulness and the near occasions of sin...<br /><br />Then I finally discovered "facing East" with another very holy priest, and realized that the only problem with former priest was my view (and his)! Had we both been facing East all that time, we could have truly celebrated together the redemptive power of Holy Mass. Thank you, God of all good.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06400691261382506978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-66477815796612994482010-03-24T09:29:20.914-04:002010-03-24T09:29:20.914-04:00Actually, a priest would be skating on thin ice if...Actually, a priest would be skating on thin ice if his bishop thought doing this would be divisive to the diocesan family. There are some things worth being crucified over, but making your bishop perpetually angry at you isn't one of them especially since facing the people is the norm right now for the OF Mass. We do need specific legislation from Rome to allow priests this freedom without jeopardizing their relationship with their bishop to whom they have promised/vowed obedience. There are many bishops today who still do not allow the EF Mass in their Diocese. Can they do it? They are!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73085815330134479182010-03-24T09:00:39.836-04:002010-03-24T09:00:39.836-04:00It was similar items listed above, coupled with a ...It was similar items listed above, coupled with a lack of reverence and structure/order, in a Protestant church that brought me to the Catholic faith. I am so grateful that was the case and for you, Father, who took the time to show me that and help me find my way! <br /><br />But on a positive note, that occurring in other churches provides the opportunity for people to come home to the Catholic Church!Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13368729701647806527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14967563663248277942010-03-24T08:58:38.839-04:002010-03-24T08:58:38.839-04:00So, can we expect you to be celebrating the Holy M...So, can we expect you to be celebrating the Holy Mass ad orientem this Sunday, Father? :-)<br /><br />Perhaps you should start with the daily mass and build support at a grassroots level... you'll definitely have my support!Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24612162739205626812010-03-24T08:56:37.916-04:002010-03-24T08:56:37.916-04:00You are so very very right Father.
So, please Fat...You are so very very right Father.<br /><br />So, please Father, heed your own counsel and follow your conscience: Say the Mass Ad orientem. It is permitted. No authority beyond your own is required. <br /><br />Lead us Father.Templarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18204866760862707908noreply@blogger.com