tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post4150377484679812578..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: LET'S GET BACK TO THE LITURGY; IT IS SO MUCH MORE EDIFYING THAN PAPAL POLITICS AND PALACE INTRIGUEFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3862812890244677322016-12-01T18:28:29.499-05:002016-12-01T18:28:29.499-05:00The good bishop says "Having worked for years...The good bishop says "Having worked for years to promote the worthy celebration of the Novus Ordo, I am also irritated by some attacks on it made by traditionalists. But their criticisms often stem from the poor way the Ordinary Form is celebrated." However, I think that this statement misses the point that the reason many who prefer to attend the traditional Mass is because the Novus Ordo has been stripped of all the beautiful prayers and so it becomes trite and banal - even offered ad orientem and in the Latin - because the prayers have been stripped and also because of the involvement of lay people in the Mass. The involvement of lay people and all the toings and froings interrupt the flow of the Mass. <br /><br />Stripped of the involvement of lay people, eucharistic processions and if Eucharistic Prayer 1 was the only eucharistic prayer that might help. But in truth the majority who attend the traditional Mass are unlikely to ever prefer the Novus Ordo Mass. It is the traditional Mass, the Mass that developed organically over centuries that nourishes us as it did the laity and the saints over the centuries. <br /><br />There is an article published in the Catholic Herald today that explains why young people, who do not have a sentimental attachment to the traditional Mass, love it.<br /><br />http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2016/12/01/yes-the-old-mass-is-rigid-thats-one-reason-us-young-people-love-it/Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00054463005875128033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11323694483204037252016-12-01T16:03:19.111-05:002016-12-01T16:03:19.111-05:00Bishop Elliott has written a commentary on celebra...Bishop Elliott has written a commentary on celebrating the Novus Ordo which parallels Fortescue's on the older (and therefore more authentic) Roman Rite.<br /><br />I don't understand why he regards baroque vestments as 'tacky'. He was happy to wear them when he celebrated Mass at the London Oratory, complete with episcopal gloves.<br /><br />Vestment fashions change and baroque vestments suit baroque churches. It can be argued that 'gothic' vestments suit gothic or neo-gothic churches, but let's not make a fetish out of it. It's the liturgy that matters. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19088562111095565882016-12-01T14:21:01.623-05:002016-12-01T14:21:01.623-05:00Information about Most Reverend Peter J. Elliott:
...Information about Most Reverend Peter J. Elliott:<br /><br />http://www.jp2institute.org/index.php/faculty/most-reverend-peter-j-elliott<br /><br />Some very impressive excerpts from the above:<br /><br />Born 1943 A.D. Converted to the Church in June 1968 A.D. Ordained a priest in 1973 A.D. at the 40th International Eucharistic Congress.<br /><br />-- In 1984 he commenced doctoral research at the Lateran University, Rome, John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and the Family. He gained a Doctorate in Sacred Theology in 1986 with a thesis on the sacramentality of marriage.<br /><br />-- In 1987 he became an Official of the Pontifical Council for the Family in the Roman Curia. <br /><br />-- In 1992 he was named a Chaplain of His Holiness with the title Monsignor. <br /><br />-- In 2004 he was created a Prelate of Honour by Pope John Paul II.<br /><br />-- In December 2004 he was appointed Director of the John Paul II Institute for Marriage and Family, Melbourne. <br /><br />-- Pope Benedict XVI appointed him as an Auditor at the World Synod of Bishops on the Eucharist, held in Rome in October 2005.<br /><br />-- In 2005 he was appointed to a five-year term as Consulter to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57709036279879963152016-12-01T13:52:31.935-05:002016-12-01T13:52:31.935-05:00Bishop Elliott discusses liturgy:
http://www.jp2i...Bishop Elliott discusses liturgy:<br /><br />http://www.jp2institute.org/index.php/faculty/most-reverend-peter-j-elliott<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark Thomas<br />Mark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-77547091267103247062016-12-01T13:51:23.009-05:002016-12-01T13:51:23.009-05:00"Occasionally I celebrate the Extraordinary F..."Occasionally I celebrate the Extraordinary Form and, while I cannot claim to be deeply attached to it..."<br /><br />I was puzzled by that statement as I had read that Bishop Elliott was born in 1943 A.D. I would hope that somebody who had grown up with the TLM would be attached deeply to the TLM. <br /><br />However, Bishop Elliott was not raised Catholic. He converted to the Church in June 1968 A.D.<br /><br />There are, of course, many Churchmen who had grown up with the TLM but have little use for that Mass. <br /><br />Then there is the fact that during the 1960s, when the TLM was in place and beloved by tens of millions of Catholics, Pope Blessed Paul VI, as well as one Cardinal and bishop after another who had grown up with the TLM, walked away from the TLM.<br /><br />I am amazed that a great many (Latin) Catholic Churchmen do not avail themselves deeply to the Traditional Roman Mass.<br /><br />But I hope that Bishop Elliott attaches himself deeply to the Traditional Roman Mass. Should he do so, he will be blessed in ways that, as of now, he is unable to comprehend.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74024250107018841152016-12-01T11:22:21.657-05:002016-12-01T11:22:21.657-05:00check out the latest ad orientem video which is on...check out the latest ad orientem video which is on the fr. z site. There is also another good video on this subject put out last July by Fr. Jay Finelli aka IPadre.Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.com