tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3968055586736528665..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: THESE RESPECTED SCHOLARS POINT TO A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88486315631715953612016-12-11T00:08:45.224-05:002016-12-11T00:08:45.224-05:00Oh my God I just read the article about what Franc...Oh my God I just read the article about what Francis said about anyone who does not agree with him should eat "s--t" forgive me but I cleaned up what he said, in complete and total shock here folks, Francis needs to be committed or at least step down he is destroying our Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6504914894455381812016-12-11T00:05:25.187-05:002016-12-11T00:05:25.187-05:00Priests that are gay can and are priests so long a...Priests that are gay can and are priests so long as they are celibate, we have always known this and most are very Tradition minded and love the TLM, folks this pope is on the verge of "cracking up" there is something wrong with him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-55651970590505678032016-12-10T23:09:28.649-05:002016-12-10T23:09:28.649-05:00I agree with anonymous above - we have sunk very l...I agree with anonymous above - we have sunk very low. I don't think that Francis could sink any lower. As Rod Dreher says:<br /><br />"The Vicar of Christ, ladies and gentlemen.<br /><br />I know I’m the sort of person Francis would call “rigid,” but I think we could all stand a bit more rigidity from this guy. Whoever thought they would live to see the day when the Roman pontiff gave an interview in which he raised the subject eating poo for sexual pleasure?" (Link provided for easy reference by Anon 2)<br /><br />https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/poop-talk-pope-francis/<br /><br />JanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10001515963035739202016-12-10T18:51:49.454-05:002016-12-10T18:51:49.454-05:00Gacy was white. If you are white, he's part o...Gacy was white. If you are white, he's part of YOUR team. <br /><br />Gacy was American. If you are American, he's part of YOUR team.<br /><br />Insightful!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89392302362505093282016-12-10T16:13:11.665-05:002016-12-10T16:13:11.665-05:00TJM - Three hours? No, three seconds. And it is ...TJM - Three hours? No, three seconds. And it is a witty riposte, not a witty repartee. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73165225062479415152016-12-10T15:40:08.535-05:002016-12-10T15:40:08.535-05:00Anonymous,
Did it take you two or three hours to ...Anonymous,<br /><br />Did it take you two or three hours to come up with that witty repartee? Gacy was a Dem, so he's part of YOUR teamTJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19733630931782227602016-12-10T15:12:45.025-05:002016-12-10T15:12:45.025-05:00Mark Thomas
It's not a game, nor is it an aca...Mark Thomas<br /><br />It's not a game, nor is it an academic debate. It's simply an unholy mess. Francis told the youth in Rio to 'make a mess'. He seems to have taken his own advice to heart.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-77369328347774439782016-12-10T13:55:00.058-05:002016-12-10T13:55:00.058-05:00TJM - I'm sure a vote of confidence coming fro...TJM - I'm sure a vote of confidence coming from you just warms the cockles of Fr. McDonald's heart, like support from John Wayne Gacy would warm the heart of Emmett Kelly.<br /><br />Feliz Navidad!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7809233843993398852016-12-10T13:44:59.938-05:002016-12-10T13:44:59.938-05:00Mark, you miss the point. The thoughts, ideas, in ...Mark, you miss the point. The thoughts, ideas, in AL are not wrong, but as guidance it is lacking in clarity and precision. This is exactly the same problem we have with our Protestant, Evangelical, and some others that use the Bible as an instruction maual. They can misunderstand and act wrongly with apparent good intent. And, as we know, people can dissemble the words to get the message they want. <br /><br />Manuals for operation of aircraft are filled with instructions embedded with warnings and cautions that relate terrible things that can happen even while following the instructions. One must have the situational awareness of the circumstances of the operation. Most of the warnings are composed after someone suffered the result of following the instructions blindly. We say that each word is written in someone's blood. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74278759847455548192016-12-10T13:07:06.229-05:002016-12-10T13:07:06.229-05:00Kavanaugh is Pope Francis' ideal Priest.Kavanaugh is Pope Francis' ideal Priest.Genenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60180171170659988962016-12-10T12:16:57.128-05:002016-12-10T12:16:57.128-05:00The battle for orthodoxy is not theologian vs. the...The battle for orthodoxy is not theologian vs. theologian, it is Pope vs. revelation and tradition, holy scripture. That the Kasper-Bergoglio line was totally discredited at the Synod no true Catholic doubts. Yet, the Holy Father chose to issue AL full of ambiguities that now has become a manifesto for action among schismatics and heretics. Let us pray that he finds his humble self one more time and answer the dubia.<br />Anon-1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24677829918732607702016-12-10T12:08:16.845-05:002016-12-10T12:08:16.845-05:00As I did via my previous comment, we can play all ...As I did via my previous comment, we can play all day long the "Amoris Laetita is heretical or at least is ambiguous to the point that certain folks employ AL to advance unorthodox teachings game..."<br /><br />...just as we can play the "Amoris Laetitia is 100 percent in line with Church Teaching" game.<br /><br />We can cite one "prominent" person after another to "prove" that Amoris Laetitia is orthodox. We can cite one "prominent" person after another to "prove" that Amoris Laetitia is unorthodox. <br /><br />We can cite right-wing blogs day after day to "prove" that His Holiness Pope Francis is a vile, evil, heretical man. Conversely, we can cite Vatican press reports day after day to "prove" that His Holiness Pope Francis is a kind, holy, orthodox man.<br /><br />Right-wing bloggers may be cited to "prove" that Pope Francis has remained silent in regard to the persecution of Christians in the Middle East, abortion, traditional marriage, and the need to confess one's sins and amend one's life.<br /><br />Vatican press statements may be cited to "prove" that Pope Francis has time and again condemned the persecution of Christians in the Middle East, abortion, and upheld traditional marriage, as well as the need to confess one's sins and amend one's life.<br /><br />We can spin anything as we please to "prove" this or that.<br /><br />What does all this mean? It means the following: As DJR noted the other day, only Pope Francis can speak authoritatively to clear the air in regard to Amoris Laetitia (as well as one Church-related issue after another).<br /><br />Other than Pope Francis' voice...it's just a bunch of chatter (I lead the league in that category).<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62486164322384913052016-12-10T11:35:42.415-05:002016-12-10T11:35:42.415-05:00For each "prominent" person opposed to A...For each "prominent" person opposed to Amoris Laetitia, a "prominent" person may be presented who has declared Amoris Laetitia orthodox.<br /><br />Example:<br /><br />http://www.lastampa.it/2016/11/22/vaticaninsider/eng/comment/prominent-italian-philosopher-explains-his-response-to-doubts-surrounding-the-amoris-laetitia-PlkfDOSNRNHs8XoErKA5XJ/pagina.html<br /><br />-- Prominent Italian philosopher explains his response to doubts surrounding the Amoris Laetitia<br /><br />"It seems obvious to me, therefore, that the Amoris Laetitia is perfectly in keeping with the doctrine and sacred tradition of the Church and does not in any way contradict the theological teaching of the Veritatis Splendor, John Paul II’s magisterium (as well as the magisterial of his predecessors and successors)..."<br /><br />Rocco Buttiglione served as an adviser to Pope Saint John Paul II and is expert on Pope Saint John Paul II's magisterium, as noted by La Stampa. Rocco Buttiglione responded point-by-point to the dubia. The bottom line is that he declared the following at the end of his article in question:<br /><br />"It seems obvious to me, therefore, that the Amoris Laetitia is perfectly in keeping with the doctrine and sacred tradition of the Church and does not in any way contradict the theological teaching of the Veritatis Splendor, John Paul II’s magisterium (as well as the magisterial of his predecessors and successors), opposes the relativist approach of those who claim that the virtue or evil of a given action depends on the conscience of the person who performs it but recognises that the subjective elements of the action need to be taken into account when judging the responsibility of the person, i.e. (to use the words of the catechism I studied as a child) “full knowledge and deliberate consent”.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56868311682716805772016-12-10T11:31:53.173-05:002016-12-10T11:31:53.173-05:00Fr.Kavy,
As a card carrying member of the Abortio...Fr.Kavy,<br /><br />As a card carrying member of the Abortion and Gay Marriage Party (formerly the Democratic Party) you have zero credibility with Faithful Catholics. I'd accept Fr. McDonald's description over yours any day.<br /><br />At the bottom of this is that the liberals who destroyed the Catholic Church following the Council, are so desperate for bodies, that they will admit divorced and remarried Catholics without the benefit of an annulment, to Holy Communion in their delusional attempt to buoy up sagging membership. That effort will backfire TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90358910252389927702016-12-10T10:33:07.319-05:002016-12-10T10:33:07.319-05:00I noticed that one of the authors was from the Uni...I noticed that one of the authors was from the University of Notre Dame.<br />Maybe not all the apples in that cart are so bad.<br /><br />SheilaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-12187109258325312252016-12-10T10:29:29.948-05:002016-12-10T10:29:29.948-05:00School rivalries aside, these positions are intere...School rivalries aside, these positions are interesting because they seem to have been reached through some sort of intellectual process and are exactly the same as observations I have made of human nature over my lifetime. This is the sort testing that Pope Francis should seek from trusted advisors to help him craft guidance that won't be misused by people with different agendas or even bad intent. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86163816042165687942016-12-10T10:27:39.714-05:002016-12-10T10:27:39.714-05:00Francis just compared those who disagree with him ...Francis just compared those who disagree with him to people with a severe mental disorder that like to "eat shit". Excuse the vulgarity but this is what the Vicar of Christ said. The man needs to be committed to an institution ASAP. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29638274639505756612016-12-10T10:04:05.600-05:002016-12-10T10:04:05.600-05:00The wise saying is, "Comparisons are odious.&...The wise saying is, "Comparisons are odious." Another is by the great theologian Theodore Roosevelt: "Comparison is the thief of joy."<br /><br />No, not even by comparison was The Mount "ultra traditional."<br /><br />Neither was it "pre-Vatican II," so, no, I am not insulted in the least. Your attempt at hurling such...fails.Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8043651037273478662016-12-10T09:43:11.881-05:002016-12-10T09:43:11.881-05:00Those of us at St. Mary Seminary in Baltimore whic...Those of us at St. Mary Seminary in Baltimore which unabashedly was liberal to HETERODOX know that compared to our Seminary your Seminary was ultra tradition and pre Vatican II which as you know and evidently still feel, is the worst insult that could be hurled at any Catholic institution, religious order, diocese or individual in that period.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-47739150715763792162016-12-10T09:03:42.610-05:002016-12-10T09:03:42.610-05:00Good Father - Mt. St. Mary's was not "an ...Good Father - Mt. St. Mary's was not "an ultra traditional Seminary for that time...".<br /><br />As I have pointed out to you when you have previously made this uninformed comment, The Mount was, for that time, as middle-of-the-road as seminaries could be. And before you go spouting - again - what people who did not attend The Mount said about it, recall that I spent 3.5 years inhabiting the halls and classrooms and chapels of Holy Mother Mountain. You and they didn't.<br /><br />We had professors who were very conservative and professors who were very liberal. All were orthodox. Germaine Grisez, who you cite in your post, once gave a very compelling paper in a public lecture which showed that the very possession of nuclear weapons was grossly immoral. And recall that he was one of the top neo-Thomist scholars in his day.<br /><br />To those who never were blessed with more than a visit or two, The Mount seemed "ultra traditional." Those of us who were formed there know this is a mistaken appreciation of the place.Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.com