tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3704448479163067726..comments2024-03-28T12:59:52.914-04:00Comments on southern orders: BUT, BUT, BUT, WHAT IS THERE TO SEE?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24416028632454463352020-12-05T18:41:22.968-05:002020-12-05T18:41:22.968-05:00What is really disgusting in the consumption of th...What is really disgusting in the consumption of the Blessed Sacrament in thoroughly modern worship forms in thoroughly modern churches with rotten acoustics requiring thoroughly modern electronic sound amplification so that WE are Church "participants" miss out on not a single sound lest they feel excluded, is when the priest consumes the largest and crunchiest host he can find, and leaves his microphone live so that everyone shares in every mastication, spittle swirl, and gulp.<br /><br />That is GROSS.<br /><br />It entirely misses our ancient roots of the priest entering alone into the Holy of Holies to offer the sacrifice and prayer on out behalf in expiation for our sins.<br /><br />This total audience participation would have left those in the early Church utterly aghast. They would have rightly intuited that with that mental set and outlook, a priesthood was utterly superfluous.<br /><br />And the authentic Vatican II called for a return to original sources, while the "sources" cited by Bugnini/Bugatti/whatever in his radical changes have been widely debunked by the best of archaeology and historical research. Anyone who has read the early Fathers sees no more sign of what has been foisted on poor flocks today than they find of Protestant fantasies of the early churches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-79666636450244730962020-12-03T14:33:53.870-05:002020-12-03T14:33:53.870-05:00Agree. Aside from the elevation, there is nothing...Agree. Aside from the elevation, there is nothing to "see". In the Byzantine Church, everyone faces the altar. The priest only turns to the people when specifically addressing them. There is absolutely no need for pseudo-interaction absent being directly addressed.<br /><br />In some respects, it is easier to see when an old high altar is being used given that it is elevated. The table altar, generally being lower and if one is seated in the back of the church, you sometimes cannot see much particularly when the people in the nave are standing. <br /><br />Regarding chewing, I've seen priests shield their faces when consuming presumably to maintain decorum. One will hold his hands such that if you envision prayer posture then, open your hands like a book and hold at face level creating a shield. Others, evidently don't care and chew like they're ripping meat off a bone then washing it down with a cold beer. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43002824187580942882020-12-02T21:35:49.318-05:002020-12-02T21:35:49.318-05:00Going back again to early history, there are many ...Going back again to early history, there are many indications that even the persecuted Church operating in homes or catacombs had the celebrant facing east, or at least, with back to congregants.<br /><br />The religion was also a mystery religion, in that only full initiates were allowed to even view the Holy Sacrifice, and houses had watchers/guards at doors to make certain no non-initiate entered. Ancient rites surviving into this day still show even a curtain or wall in some cases, h8ding the consecration/consumption by priest from view, due likely also to original Jewish worship practices of which so much is still preserved in traditional rites. We still have vestige use of this discipline in more traditional churches such as our Rites of Initiation.<br /><br />And a known unrepentant sinner was most certainly barred from entry, while penance for sinners was often public, even in post-persecution times and nice purpose-built churches, with penitents forced to stand outside and confess their sins for a certain amount of lengthy time before readmission, and why until of late, indulgences/release from penance were stated in days/weeks/months/years, those being the normal times of public penance for assorted sins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18336444362954773882020-12-02T15:49:37.429-05:002020-12-02T15:49:37.429-05:00Dear Father McDonald,
Thank you for posting this....Dear Father McDonald,<br /><br />Thank you for posting this. I'm in agreement with you. Even if one prefers to behold the Sacred Species during the Consecration, there's really nothing to see, as these are kept within sacred vessels or upon the paten. The elevations satisfy this visual desire in either orientation. <br /><br />In Christ,<br />DialogueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com