tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3376847081750556250..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: TO BELL OR NOT TO BELL, THAT IS THE QUESTION AGAIN!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-27392389723242545102016-07-04T23:04:38.904-04:002016-07-04T23:04:38.904-04:00Mantillas at the door..... a good way to spread he...Mantillas at the door..... a good way to spread head lice.<br />Women haven't had to wear those for years. If you want to wear one bring your own.<br />Don't spread head lice. Yikes..... Gregorian chant is beautiful but not as beautiful as the long ago Easter Vigil. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-65445916950934010372016-06-26T12:42:29.976-04:002016-06-26T12:42:29.976-04:00Father please oh please use the Sanctus bells get ...Father please oh please use the Sanctus bells get your new flock used to the idea of Tradition and start sliding in Latin, Gregorian chant, and incense and offer free mantillas at the door.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-76731361690342515142016-06-22T18:58:26.432-04:002016-06-22T18:58:26.432-04:00John Nolan said, "Vatican II ripped the heart...John Nolan said, "Vatican II ripped the heart out of Catholicism as understood by the faithful and replaced it with a rational and intellectual construct which made perfect sense to those who pushed it but signally failed to connect with those to whom it was targeted. Hence the mess we are in. Bergoglio is a symptom of this decline, not a cause." I think he is absolutely right. I honestly don't recognize the Catholic Church of my youth, except when I attend a Latin EF Mass. It's not only the Mass that is different at the OF but the behavior of Catholics generally. The lack of reverence has been mentioned numerous times. The approach of the priest too in many cases is very casual. The Pope is very casual in how he acts and in what he states. The fact that he can now state that people cohabiting can be in more of a marriage than those in a sacramental marriage has raised hardly a murmur. Perhaps we are all so punch drunk from all that this Pope has said so far in his papacy or perhaps, sadly, many Catholics agree with him ... either way John is correct that he is just a symptom of the overall decline in the Church ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88346839041407813632016-06-21T12:49:36.169-04:002016-06-21T12:49:36.169-04:00Although I am fortunate enough not to have to atte...Although I am fortunate enough not to have to attend Mass in the vernacular more than half a dozen times in the year, when I do the bell is rung at the elevations at least. Otherwise I would have to secrete a small bell in my pocket and ring it at appropriate times.<br /><br />I was trained to serve Mass in 1959 and we were not taught to ring once-thrice-once at the elevations, just once-once-once (although if there were two servers the junior would ring the steeple bell).<br /><br />My (non-denominational but effectively Anglican) school was adjacent to the (Anglican) parish church and they always rang the Angelus at noon. Yet no-one ever commented on it, not even the one master who was a Catholic. This was in the 1960s and had I known better I would have stopped to pray at that point. In the Middle Ages everyone would have paused and knelt. What was once relevant had become just a quaint custom.<br /><br />Vatican II ripped the heart out of Catholicism as understood by the faithful and replaced it with a rational and intellectual construct which made perfect sense to those who pushed it but signally failed to connect with those to whom it was targeted. Hence the mess we are in. Bergoglio is a symptom of this decline, not a cause. <br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-12957961610453379982016-06-21T10:56:44.441-04:002016-06-21T10:56:44.441-04:00The thing that gets me most is that many of these ...The thing that gets me most is that many of these people who insist that the bells can't be rung will at the same time chide those who insist that liturgical rubrics be followed, calling them "rigid", or even "temple police."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85110119341460385842016-06-21T09:20:41.367-04:002016-06-21T09:20:41.367-04:00"These know it alls who look down their nose..."These know it alls who look down their noses at the poor souls who aren't as smart as them don't realize that the Mass is an affair of the heart not an intellectual pursuit."<br /><br />The real reason (in my observation) these "know it alls" oppose bells is that they have . . . ah,shall we say . . . a more nuanced view of transubstantiation and the Real Presence than do we simple pew sitters who actually believe what the Church teaches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-35085217906495747242016-06-21T06:52:30.098-04:002016-06-21T06:52:30.098-04:00gob,
If the Holy Mass is Christ's offering of...gob,<br /><br />If the Holy Mass is Christ's offering of us to the Father, then why would you exclude your children from that offering? In what possible way were they disturbing Him? Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43314911125306415922016-06-21T04:55:43.752-04:002016-06-21T04:55:43.752-04:00@gob
No, we don't sit in the main body of the ...@gob<br />No, we don't sit in the main body of the church, as they're too noisy for that. Fortunately there's a lobby at the back where we can sit/stand without causing distraction, but if one of them is crying persistently then I take her out. Our eldest behaved fine once she reached three or so, so I'm hoping the middle one will as well.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13873507031809422203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-79291806475242362442016-06-20T21:41:29.767-04:002016-06-20T21:41:29.767-04:00If we think back a few years to when you started t...If we think back a few years to when you started this blog and were toying with the ideas of Liturgical Counter-reform, I seem to recall that most agreed that education was essential to opening people up to the form of NO you introduced and the occasional EF. You should try that again. The folks that are interested will likely have stalked these pages and viewed your videos already, so the learning curve is already less steep.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-87428879043880882022016-06-20T17:56:05.985-04:002016-06-20T17:56:05.985-04:00I now go a parish where the young pastor re-introd...I now go a parish where the young pastor re-introduced the bells and not one complaint. He also uses nice gothic vestments and has the congregation sing the Kyrie in Greek and the Sanctus and Agnus Dei in Latin! Huge upgrade from the left-wing loonism of the prior pastor TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14832416548903179902016-06-20T17:54:57.947-04:002016-06-20T17:54:57.947-04:00So...James...you take your "yowling middle da...So...James...you take your "yowling middle daughter" outside during the Eucharistic prayer. What about the rest of the Mass....she just "entertains" the congregation? My wife and I went to separate Masses for many years while our 7 children were growing. We did not take them...until they were old enough to behave....(And when they were old enough, the joined the folk choir....)gobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75549944163701330782016-06-20T17:07:35.598-04:002016-06-20T17:07:35.598-04:00Although you have more pastoral experience than I ...Although you have more pastoral experience than I do, I will recommend introducing right away whatever traditional elements do not require the congregation to do anything differently. But I also recommend not introducing for the first few years any traditional elements requiring the congregation to change in any way. Prudentia. So, bells are fine. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4041508025024217742016-06-20T16:57:03.724-04:002016-06-20T16:57:03.724-04:00I've had to take our yowling middle daughter o...I've had to take our yowling middle daughter outside during the Eucharistic prayer for the last three weeks in a row, but fortunately can hear the sanctus bells from the church garden so can still follow the mass. The folk group sounds better from outside too!Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13873507031809422203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69780660335298804162016-06-20T16:50:14.340-04:002016-06-20T16:50:14.340-04:00I vote for the bells, and I have not heard them in...I vote for the bells, and I have not heard them in over twenty years. I also would not mind seeing the Chalice with its veil either. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-66467361277087349252016-06-20T16:29:51.291-04:002016-06-20T16:29:51.291-04:00A great photo of the heron too ...A great photo of the heron too ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13532533225659776102016-06-20T16:28:28.304-04:002016-06-20T16:28:28.304-04:00Yes, at most Masses we do have the bells. I like ...Yes, at most Masses we do have the bells. I like them too. It also helps focus the mind as sometimes there can be road noise and other distractions. It certainly adds a spiritual dimension, as they say, "The Catholic Mass, smells and bells" ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52928774069546079082016-06-20T16:23:06.275-04:002016-06-20T16:23:06.275-04:00Bells are definitely necessary at the traditional ...Bells are definitely necessary at the traditional Mass. Here's a story from yesterday that proves it! We went to the local convent of Franciscan sisters yesterday for the first Mass of one of the newly ordained priests of the SSPX. <br /><br />Unfortunately, our young child was being fussy and wiggly (probably due to the lack of air conditioning in the chapel). So I was having to stand up and hold her behind a pillar, and I couldn't see the altar. But, with the ringing of the bells at the Hanc Igitur, I knew I needed to kneel for the consecration. And with the six bells at the double consecrations, I knew I could resume standing to keep the baby calm. <br /><br />Without bells, I wouldn't have had much indication of what was going on -- with the bells, I was still able to participate in the Mass to some degree.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11898547539991372742016-06-20T14:31:36.229-04:002016-06-20T14:31:36.229-04:00"....the Mass is an affair of the heart not a..."....the Mass is an affair of the heart not an intellectual pursuit."<br />The entire reform of the liturgy of Vatican II was against this, as was the Liturgical Movement. The liturgical reforms were nothing more than the realisation of the ivory tower devotees of this Liturgical Movement. Symbols as well as the delights for the 5 senses were abrogated in favour of the intellect. The triumph of Gnosticism is what characterises the contemporary Catholic Church.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75513304381063330252016-06-20T14:20:08.709-04:002016-06-20T14:20:08.709-04:00The retired liberal Monsignor (and, oh my, he was/...The retired liberal Monsignor (and, oh my, he was/is liberal) at a nearby parish had long ago eliminated the use of Sanctus bells. About two months ago, the parish received a new (and young) "conservative" pastor. The parish's new pastor restored immediately the use of Sanctus bells at each Mass offered there.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.com