tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post334361337034994201..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: IN THESE OF SIMILAR WORDS! O LORD, SPARE US!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49990589064420896852017-11-05T15:58:13.974-05:002017-11-05T15:58:13.974-05:00If synodality is on the congregational level too, ...If synodality is on the congregational level too, why the heck not?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83945978190890698262017-11-05T15:55:52.137-05:002017-11-05T15:55:52.137-05:00So, then would it be possible for a conservative p...So, then would it be possible for a conservative pastor and parish council to replace the Novus Ordo order of the Mass with the ordinary from the post-Vatican II missal of 1965?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46883143864022251562017-11-05T14:38:49.523-05:002017-11-05T14:38:49.523-05:00The big difference between now and then Father is ...The big difference between now and then Father is that today it's not possible to keep the fantasy going that somehow an ecumenical council, or the pope, or someone at the top wants the Mass to become this free for all, and the same goes for the fantasy that these radical deviations will bring people back to the church. We'll also have Summorum Pontificum which means that the traditions of the church will be there haunting these radicals like a specter. <br /><br />I wouldn't be surprised if even the Praytellers realize this, and that is why they can't even bring themselves to admit that Francis supports Benedict's hermeneutic of continuity, or to actually discuss what he says about the liturgy even after almost 5 years. There is nothing more ridiculous than Anthony Ruff stating that "Vatican II demands X" and that people who disagree with X are against Vatican II, but then not being able to point to council documents, nor to post-conciliar magisterial documents that teach X and shutting down discussion when someone points this out. In the 70s you could get away with this when there was no immediate access to texts like this, today it just looks ridiculous. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-77788798607572993722017-11-05T14:21:18.742-05:002017-11-05T14:21:18.742-05:00Bee here:
Today our priest at the EF Mass spoke a...Bee here:<br /><br />Today our priest at the EF Mass spoke about justice. The reading was the one where the Pharisees try to trap Jesus by asking him whether taxes should be paid to the Romans. It's the "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's" scripture.<br /><br />Our priest said (among other things) that our obligation to attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of obligation is a matter of justice, and that by doing so we give what we owe to God, that is homage, worship and adoration, and we thereby keep the Third Commandment, keep Holy the sabbath.<br /><br />Somehow, Mass Lite, with priests winging it with groovy made up Eucharistic Prayers and a bag of pita bread and bottle of Beringer red wine, in festive casual "just us" style doesn't seem to meet the obligation. Hard to conceive of adoring and worshiping and giving homage to God when the Mass is cast as a casual meeting with pals.<br /><br />God bless.<br />BeeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-28909985164066596862017-11-05T10:49:19.918-05:002017-11-05T10:49:19.918-05:00Sorry, it's all bollocks. I would not recogniz...Sorry, it's all bollocks. I would not recognize it as a Mass, would not be in the least degree inclined to regard it as valid, and were I to attend it, it would be with the intention of disrupting it, if necessary with water cannon and tear gas.<br /><br />But then, what's the point? They can all choose their own route to hell, which is paved with parsons' skulls and good intentions. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.com