tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3330327272575240209..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: UNEXPECTED BOMBSHELL FROM POPE FRANCIS! COMING FROM POPE FRANCIS, IS THIS A SIGN OF CONVERSION AND COMMON SENSE PREVAILING IN SCHISMATIC TIMES WHICH HIS HOLINESS HAS ACCELERATED HIMSELF, IS IT A SIGN OF THE REPENTENCE ARCHBISHOP VIGANO SEEKS FROM HIS HOLINESS? WHAT DO YOU THINK?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-91957076413271521962019-07-06T12:52:23.204-04:002019-07-06T12:52:23.204-04:00And another thing: if you want to hear a truly int...And another thing: if you want to hear a truly interesting debate on immigration expand the population to include doctors, engineers, scientists, and teachers if you want to the polarity swap. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-91885953418713857352019-07-06T12:49:13.877-04:002019-07-06T12:49:13.877-04:00The qualifier, “yearning to breathe free (sic)” is...The qualifier, “yearning to breathe free (sic)” is over looked. The misery of the illegal immigrants is linked directly to the clandestine living conditions enforced by the people who promise them riches and who are aided by the mobsters in their homelands. There are few in America who would prefer an Italian or Irish mobster to the laborers from Ecuador if the latter were legal and respectful of our laws. It is the factious political and activist groups who cynically profit from keeping the immigrants away from freedom and self determination. I once attended a seminar by a nun who attempted to lay a guilt trip on her audience to accept more illegal immigrants based on the horrible conditions in their country. I asked why she didn’t take her fight to the villages and towns of misery? I knew the answer, despite her dissembling double speak: she would be raped, killed, and buried in a shallow grave if she challenged any of that status quo. She did admit that we needed the immigrants to shore up Catholic numbers in the USA. That was in about 1987. The entire situation is an onion of lies. Enough to make you cry. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22786677071232877512019-07-06T12:08:52.343-04:002019-07-06T12:08:52.343-04:00In the earlier years of his pontificate, Francis i...In the earlier years of his pontificate, Francis in his public statements gave the impression that he favoured an 'open door' policy towards migration. However, in 2016, following a visit to Sweden, he gave a press conference which suggested, if not a volte-face, a more nuanced and realistic approach. Sweden, a notably tolerant country, had accepted a large number of mostly Moslem immigrants whom it could not integrate into society. A Swedish government official had informed the Pope that of the 163,000 asylum-seekers who arrived in 2015 a mere 500 had found jobs; the remainder lived off welfare benefits. The situation was economically unsustainable and socially divisive.<br /><br />Francis made a distinction between migrants and refugees. He conceded that 'migrants should be treated according to certain rules, because migration is a right but one which is highly regulated.' Assimilation was the key issue. Even were a country to close its borders to all refugees, it might still be acting with prudence to ensure the common good.<br /><br />Francis may also have been influenced by the findings of Anna Bono, Professor of African History at the University of Turin. Bono pointed out that most migrants to Italy were not families fleeing want, but young single men who had been recruited by traffickers in African countries on the promise of a better life in Italy - they were by no means poor, since they and their families could afford the 8,000 to 10,000 Euros demanded by the traffickers. They were also deceived - Italy has one of the highest youth unemployment rates in Europe. <br /><br />Yet Francis has continued to stress that we must open our hearts and our borders to migrants and refugees. Is his stance contradictory? I don't think so. 'Rights' are rarely absolute; they have to be balanced one against the other. The right of people to move to a different country in search of a better life has to be balanced against the right of the State to act prudently in the interest of the common good of its citizens.<br /><br />Francis recognizes this; indeed it is at the core of Church teaching on the roles of Church and State. Both, in their different ways, are 'societates perfectae'. Both derive their authority ultimately from God.<br /><br />The USA has certainly welcomed migrants and treated them a lot better than it did the indigenous inhabitants of north America. But it expected them to integrate and above all to learn English. It would appear that this condition no longer applies.<br /> John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68393622052873669862019-07-05T15:48:17.989-04:002019-07-05T15:48:17.989-04:00Carol H.
The Trump administration has worked hard...Carol H.<br /><br />The Trump administration has worked hard to restrict LEGAL immigration. Through a variety of changes he has enacted or wants to enact, his goal is to cut the numbers of poor and poorly educated immigrants. You know, the ones who come from "s**thole" countries, the ones who, like those from Haiti, live in "huts," and the ones, also like those in Haiti, who "all have AIDS."<br /><br />Enticing those with high skills and higher education levels will likely harm the countries they leave. "Brain Drain" anyone? <br /><br />And his reason for doing this is to benefit the United States. It is, in his view, better for us.<br /><br />This plan of action stands in stark contrast with the idea enshrined on the base of the Statue of Liberty. <br /><br />"Give me your tired, your poor,<br />Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,<br />The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.<br />Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,<br />I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"<br /><br />You see, our view toward immigration used to be "How can we help them?" Under Trump, who sees everything through the lens of dollars and cents, wants to know only "How can they help us?"<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21364365724060911072019-07-05T14:49:13.155-04:002019-07-05T14:49:13.155-04:00If the Church really wants to help people come to ...If the Church really wants to help people come to the US, there is a LEGAL route.<br /><br />Apply at the embassy. If the Church knows the family to be good and law abiding citizens, the Church can find a host family and pay the application fee.<br /><br />Families that are approved can then travel safely by plane to the US on a flight paid for by the Church or other donors after having received their proper immunizations. No need to subject them to walking through rough terrain, to rapists, to drug lords, or to other coyotes.<br /><br />The support of illegal immigration and encouraging people to make that disgusting journey is EVIL.<br />Carol H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02475843499648488542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62270444659252760512019-07-05T12:10:37.150-04:002019-07-05T12:10:37.150-04:00Anonymous, why do you persist in attributing emoti...Anonymous, why do you persist in attributing emotions to me (in this case 'horror') in such a gratuitous fashion? <br /><br />There was a discussion recently about the rights and duties pertaining to Church and State. You obviously were not paying attention, preferring to trawl through other people's comments in order to score cheap points.<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-87096158370840646372019-07-05T09:40:02.343-04:002019-07-05T09:40:02.343-04:00It is not a 'right' to migrate.
It is a r...It is not a 'right' to migrate.<br /><br />It is a right, as the Church clearly - and much to your horror - teaches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85800311460491741442019-07-05T05:24:49.408-04:002019-07-05T05:24:49.408-04:00The only country in the EU which promotes unashame...The only country in the EU which promotes unashamedly pro-family policies is Hungary. As a result, in a mere nine years, marriages are up by 43%, divorce is down by 22.5%, and there are 33% fewer abortions. The 2011 constitution is pro-life, stating that it begins at conception.<br /><br />Catholics make up 38% of the population (making Hungary less Catholic than Poland, Slovenia and Croatia) yet the reforms have met with widespread public approval.<br /><br />Hungary has strict controls on immigration, and has resisted attempts by the EU to bully her into accepting their quotas. At present, Moslems make up 0.06% of the population, and she has no intention of opening the door to the sort of invasion which would threaten national cohesion. The total population of Hungary is only ten million.<br /><br />From the mid-sixteenth century to the very end of the seventeenth, large parts of Hungary, including Buda and Pest, suffered under Ottoman occupation. There is only one Gothic church left in the capital, which was used as a mosque (the mihrab or prayer niche is still there as a salutory reminder). Hungarians are aware of their history, and indeed their vulnerability. <br /><br />Italy faces a demographic crisis with a birth rate below replacement level. Using immigration to solve this will prove disastrous in the long term - and this applies to other European countries, Britain included.<br /><br />Those who pontificate about the 'right' to migrate would do well to read 'Reflections on the Revolution in Europe' (2009) by the American Christopher Caldwell. Before dismissing it as right-wing polemic (MT in particular take note), recall that it had positive reviews even in the liberal press (Guardian, Observer) as well as in the Catholic Herald. And the situation has become even more acute in the last ten years.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57640692600570509772019-07-04T13:38:48.761-04:002019-07-04T13:38:48.761-04:00Mark Thomas
I never said I was. But you might at ...Mark Thomas<br /><br />I never said I was. But you might at least answer the question, if you can (which I doubt).John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10233020974849252952019-07-04T13:28:39.116-04:002019-07-04T13:28:39.116-04:00MT, what is your position on regulation of immigra...MT, what is your position on regulation of immigration? Do you not believe a nation has the right to safeguard its borders and control the entrance of peoples into its territory? Do you believe a country does not have a right to prevent those who seek to walk across its border from doing so? You need to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church # 1897-1900<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61768902675549751512019-07-03T23:58:22.202-04:002019-07-03T23:58:22.202-04:00John Nolan said..."So I have to agree with Po...John Nolan said..."So I have to agree with Pope Francis on global warming?"<br /><br />Mr. Nolan, we are talking about Church teachings in regard to immigrants and refugees. We are talking about teachings that the Church has held for centuries.<br /><br />As Catholics, we are compelled to accept said teachings as taught by the Roman Pontiff and bishops in communion with him.<br /><br />Mr. Nolan, the Church doesn't work via your determination that this or that teaching does not apply to today.<br /><br />You are not authorized to cast aside Pope Venerable Pius XII's teaching — ancient Church teaching — in regard to immigrants and migrants.<br /><br />You are not above the Magisterium.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-27054631838455698312019-07-03T14:20:28.136-04:002019-07-03T14:20:28.136-04:00So I have to agree with Pope Francis on global war...So I have to agree with Pope Francis on global warming? I don't think so. Do I have to agree with Paul VI's and Casaroli's Ostpolitik? I didn't at the time and in any case JP II put a stop to it and it is now shown to be an erroneous approach based on an assumption which events proved to be wrong.<br /><br />Do I have to approve of the nepotism of Renaissance popes? Certainly not. <br /><br />I ask again - do you believe that any action or any opinion of any pope is divinely ordained? If you do, you are a heretic.<br /><br />It's about time you came clean on the issue.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2246057685862106312019-07-03T09:36:31.926-04:002019-07-03T09:36:31.926-04:00John Nolan said..."Actually, it's not dif...John Nolan said..."Actually, it's not difficult to determine whether a pope is or is not fulfilling his mission of handing down the Faith."<br /><br />Throughout the centuries, a great many folks have experienced difficulty in having discerned as to whether "a pope is or is not fulfilling his mission of handing down the Faith."<br /><br />One Pope after another has been accused of having failed to hand down the Faith.<br /><br />Today, we have folks who've produced/signed preposterous "Open Letters," and "Corrections," that have accused Pope Francis of having failed to hand down the Faith.<br /><br />Certain folks accused Pope Benedict XVI of having failed to hand down the Faith.<br /><br />Archbishop Lefebvre declared that Pope Saint Paul VI failed to hand down the Faith.<br /><br />Archbishop Lefebvre said that Pope Saint John Paul II had failed to hand down the Faith.<br /><br />"Traditional" Catholics have determined that Vatican II does not hand down the Faith.<br /><br />Sitting in judgment of the Church and Pope leads to the above insanity...Open Letters, Filial "Corrections," splinter groups...utter nonsense.<br /><br />Mr. Nolan, the bottom line is that God commands you, I...everybody...to submit to Pope Francis' God-given authority to teach, govern, and sanctify you, I...everybody.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42658088129856478312019-07-03T09:14:41.398-04:002019-07-03T09:14:41.398-04:00Anon at 5:28 on 2 July, I have done that except fo...Anon at 5:28 on 2 July, I have done that except for the living in poverty myself. My grandfather started a business in what was British Honduras to build roads and civic structures such as schools, my great aunt married a gentleman from Mexico and they ran a business in Mexico City until his death, I have worked in Panama, Honduras (CA), and Belize with “poor” in various capacities, most recently as a project manager to a medical/dental clinic and school in a very remote region of Honduras. <br /><br />The “migrants” are political pawns that have served their purpose in those places and are liability to the state because they are the kindling for revolution. They have much greater economic potential staying at home and developing their own resources, but this would compete with the oligarchs and governments. Moving them to other countries without formal requests is necessary to expedite the move and disguise the reasons for moving. In the USA cynical politicians exploit this situation for their own reasons. So the “refugees” have simply moved from bad situation to another. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4322266388290772052019-07-03T08:00:01.552-04:002019-07-03T08:00:01.552-04:00Excerpts from:
Migration and the Social Doctrine o...Excerpts from:<br />Migration and the Social Doctrine of the Church<br />Rev. Fr. Michael A. BLUME, S.V.D.<br />Undersecretary of the Pontifical Council <br /><br />a. Right to emigrate, including the right to seek asylum<br /><br />The first is the right to emigrate. “Among man's personal rights we must include his right to enter a country in which he hopes to be able to provide more fittingly for himself and his dependants” (Pacem in Terris 106). The SDC (Social Doctrine of the Church) has repeated this on many occasions and in many ways.<br /><br />So every human person has an inalienable right to life and the activities needed to sustain and develop it.[2] Obviously when these rights are continually impeded, people have a right to go where they hope to start again to live humanly.<br /><br />Second, limiting migration cannot be based on egoistical motives, e.g., the hope of preserving a certain lifestyle while the greater part of humanity lives below the poverty line.[6] The discussion of the rights of states and their citizens cannot be separated from solidarity, which is also basic to Catholic social teaching.<br /><br />Among the rights of the family is “the right to emigrate as a family in search for a better life” (Familaris Consortio 46). They do this to fulfill duties for “the physical, spiritual and religious welfare of the family” (Mater et MagistraM 45). The need to seek a worthy livelihood constitutes a right to migrate, and that is all the more so when migration is forced. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30104113604473629702019-07-03T06:16:00.602-04:002019-07-03T06:16:00.602-04:00Actually, it's not difficult to determine whet...Actually, it's not difficult to determine whether a pope is or is not fulfilling his mission of handing down the Faith. For the record, Francis seems to be reluctant to clarify matters which urgently need clarification; it may be his personal style, or his Jesuit formation at a time when the Society appeared to be going off the rails. In any event, one can live with it. <br /><br />Pius XII in his later years took a keen interest in scientific matters, read scientific journals, and regaled the scientific community with his views (which caused some amusement). No doubt MT would class these as infallible papal teaching, along with Francis's views on anthropogenic climate change.<br /><br />The Church teaches that we have a duty towards migrants and refugees. It's on a par with feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, tending to the sick and dying, and visiting the imprisoned; in other words it's about charity. She does not teach, and never has taught, that people have a God-given right to become migrants and refugees and go where they please, which MT seems to be claiming in his last paragraph.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78423651690100137162019-07-02T20:05:06.320-04:002019-07-02T20:05:06.320-04:00John Nolan said..."He's the Pope, and pr...John Nolan said..."He's the Pope, and providing he fulfils his mission of handing down the Faith unadulterated, he has my filial support, loyalty and prayers."<br /><br />John Nolan said...""Pius XII in 1948 did not foresee the collapse of Christianity in its European heartland and the rise of militant Islam."<br /><br />Mr. Nolan, do you determine whether His Holiness Pope Francis, in this or that instance, has "fulfilled" his "mission of handing down the Faith unadulterated"?<br /><br />Do you determine as to whether a Church teaching has become outdated...such as Pope Venerable Pius XII's teaching, which was in line with ancient Church teaching, in regard to the rights of migrants and refugees — rights that flow from God?<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82964549721983388142019-07-02T18:12:20.243-04:002019-07-02T18:12:20.243-04:00The Holy Family was escaping a murderous thug of a...The Holy Family was escaping a murderous thug of a leader, intent on killing their child.<br />More importantly, once he was gone from the scene they did not stay in Egypt but returned from where they had come from.<br />I am not anti-Pope Francis and understand how he must be seen as caring for immigrants, but there are times he has said things which I wish he hadn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6639825820457142742019-07-02T17:33:28.211-04:002019-07-02T17:33:28.211-04:00MT
There is nothing in papal teaching that would ...MT<br /><br />There is nothing in papal teaching that would deny the right of a nation state to safeguard its borders and control immigration. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88319204863014973902019-07-02T17:28:44.392-04:002019-07-02T17:28:44.392-04:00And Carol H., I wish you would move to Nicaragua o...And Carol H., I wish you would move to Nicaragua or Honduras for a year and try to live with some semblance of dignity with a spouse and four children in crushing poverty, without medical care, with corrupt governments at every level, and then decide to come to the USA and clean toilets or mow lawns or harvest asparagus or lettuce to give yourself and family a far better life than you might ever have had otherwise.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62079882202688165152019-07-02T16:44:47.157-04:002019-07-02T16:44:47.157-04:00I wish that those who are pro-illegal immigrant wo...I wish that those who are pro-illegal immigrant would join the Border Patrol for just one year. Then they would see for themselves that those crossing our border that way are the furthest thing from a Holy Family.<br /><br />Ignorance may be bliss, but it is also severely dangerous to our nation.<br />Carol H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02475843499648488542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60074049851485623862019-07-02T14:29:45.128-04:002019-07-02T14:29:45.128-04:00John Nolan said..."Needless to say, I don'...John Nolan said..."Needless to say, I don't need cut-and-paste homilies from MT about what Pope X or Pope Y said in A.D.such-and-such. Believe it or not, I am already aware of them."<br /><br />Good. Your next step is to obey Papal teaching.<br /><br />You may begin with His Holiness, Pope Francis. <br /><br />In regard to the topic at hand, and in union with Pope Venerable Pius XII, as well as ancient Catholic teaching, Pope Francis has upheld the following:<br /><br />“The family of Nazareth in exile, Jesus, Mary and Joseph, emigrants and taking refuge in Egypt to escape the fury of an evil king, are the model, the example and the support of all emigrants and pilgrims of every age and every country, of all refugees of any condition who, compelled by persecution and need, are forced to abandon their homeland, their beloved relatives, their neighbors, their dear friends, and move to a foreign land” (Exsul familia, AAS 44, 1952, 649)."<br /><br /><br /><br />Mark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-5255826547505858802019-07-02T13:28:48.334-04:002019-07-02T13:28:48.334-04:00John Nolan said..."Pius XII in 1948 did not f...John Nolan said..."Pius XII in 1948 did not foresee the collapse of Christianity in its European heartland and the rise of militant Islam."<br /><br />We have experienced the "collapse of Christianity in its European heartland."<br /><br />Therefore, Europe, devoid in great measure of Christianity, should respond by closing its borders to Moslem migrants and refugees?<br /><br />Pax<br /><br />Mark ThomasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-65229390361102758092019-07-02T11:25:10.532-04:002019-07-02T11:25:10.532-04:00Yes, and of course in 1948 many people were displa...Yes, and of course in 1948 many people were displaced as a result of the World War in Europe. Poles, Ukrainians, Germans who were forcibly deported by the Allies in an early example of 'ethnic cleansing', Jews who insisted on the right to emigrate to Palestine, and so on.<br /><br />They were not culturally alien. Many Poles and Ukrainians settled in Britain and were easily assimilated. It can be argued that European Jews were indeed alien to the Palestinian Arabs whose lands they appropriated, which is why the British imposed quotas in the 1930s in an attempt to mitigate ethnic conflict.<br /><br />Peter's Pence is used by the Pope to further his philanthropic endeavours. In the past year he has given money to support those attempting to enter the US illegally via Mexico, and in a carefully organized publicity stunt agreed to pay the electricity bill for a host of illegal squatters in Rome who were using electricity for which they had no intention of paying.<br /><br />Needless to say, I don't need cut-and-paste homilies from MT about what Pope X or Pope Y said in A.D.such-and-such. Believe it or not, I am already aware of them. I am also grateful to St Pius V in the 16th century and Bl. Innocent XI at the end of the 17th who did their utmost to keep Islam out of Europe, even when the Turks were battering at the gates of Vienna.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89827527331846183082019-07-02T07:56:03.310-04:002019-07-02T07:56:03.310-04:00Pius. Dang autocorrect is an occasion for sin. Pius. Dang autocorrect is an occasion for sin. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.com