tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3255485919046334959..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: THE ONLY SANE APPROACH IN A WORLD OF TERROR IS THE CHURCH'S TEACHING ON THE DIGNITY OF HUMAN LIFE FROM THE VERY MOMENT OF CONCEPTION UNTIL NATURAL DEATHFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger118125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-44360778488441181432016-07-02T07:43:53.836-04:002016-07-02T07:43:53.836-04:00Gene - LOL! No, I'm not hung up at all.
Y...Gene - LOL! No, I'm not hung up at all. <br /><br />You are the one who makes an absurd statement, throws and insult, tosses out an accusation, etc., and then retreats behind "I didn't mean that!!! It was just hyperbole!!!"<br /><br />Stand behind your words or quit wasting them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53347531235416510252016-06-30T21:10:25.393-04:002016-06-30T21:10:25.393-04:00Gene:
“That is not a rejection of Catholic teachi...Gene:<br /><br />“That is not a rejection of Catholic teaching...the Church once felt the same way”<br /><br />What a great standard to follow! Let’s just do everything the Church used to do and to feel. Perhaps we can begin by executing heretics—you know, people who believed as you used to. Hmmm, if we had a time machine . . . . <br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-40506413124476246072016-06-30T17:38:33.011-04:002016-06-30T17:38:33.011-04:00I have made plenty of direct, non-hyperbolic state...I have made plenty of direct, non-hyperbolic statements that indicate my beliefs pretty clearly. You really are hung up on this hyperbole thing, aren't you? LOL!Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23024512989522853892016-06-30T10:04:16.070-04:002016-06-30T10:04:16.070-04:00You have hidden behind "It was just hyperbole...You have hidden behind "It was just hyperbole" as the quote shows. <br /><br />You can try all you want to run away from your own words, but it doesn't work.<br /><br />And you call someone else a "deceiver"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59588237995549728192016-06-30T07:54:48.449-04:002016-06-30T07:54:48.449-04:00Just because one uses hyperbole on occasion does n...Just because one uses hyperbole on occasion does not mean they use it all the time. When one says to another, "Have you lost your mind" or something similar, that is hardly saying they are insane. I do not hide behind hyperbole, although I do employ it just as many others do. Example: Hyperbole: "I guess Fr. MacDonald must have lost his mind to defend this Pope so uncritically."<br />Not hyperbole: Kavanaugh is an intellectually dishonest, unbelieving, deceiver." See, there is a difference.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-91904322553749221412016-06-30T06:49:13.661-04:002016-06-30T06:49:13.661-04:00Gene - You do not stand behind your words. As rece...Gene - You do not stand behind your words. As recently as a June 22 you said, "As for my relationship with Fr. MacDonald, heated discussion and the use of hyperbole on a blog are to be expected and do not indicate a low regard for the person in question."<br /><br />That came after you had accused Fr. McDonald of being unorthodox, of being cowardly, or being insane.<br /><br />You hide behind "hyperbole" there... And you do it in other posts on this blog. Shall I list them?<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70917277457808056292016-06-29T19:25:04.535-04:002016-06-29T19:25:04.535-04:00Japan has just approved blanket surveillance of Mu...Japan has just approved blanket surveillance of Muslims in their country. Everybody is beginning to get it but us...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57772849637784050372016-06-29T18:31:31.214-04:002016-06-29T18:31:31.214-04:00I do stand behind my words. If one could push a bu...I do stand behind my words. If one could push a button and disappear all Muslims tomorrow, the world would be better for it. That is not a rejection of Catholic teaching...the Church once felt the same way. It is one sinner's political opinion. Since Muslims are avowed and aggressive enemies of the Church, I do not feel that it is a sin for me to state such.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37526498858882729392016-06-29T17:48:02.616-04:002016-06-29T17:48:02.616-04:00"I would welcome the spectacle of their richl..."I would welcome the spectacle of their richly deserved thermo-nuclear obliteration."<br /><br />Quoting the High Priest, "What further need have we of witnesses?" of Gene's rejection of Catholic teaching?<br /><br />And the claim, "Oh, this is only hyperbole" simply doesn't fly. You've said it, now be a man and stand behind your words. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-92107444045992558282016-06-29T15:25:08.600-04:002016-06-29T15:25:08.600-04:00Anon 2, I simply do not care. Islam and Muslims ar...Anon 2, I simply do not care. Islam and Muslims are the enemy of the Church and of civilized nations everywhere. I would welcome the spectacle of their richly deserved thermo-nuclear obliteration.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43919844556857125992016-06-29T13:37:31.382-04:002016-06-29T13:37:31.382-04:00Gene:
It is our crisis. We are directly responsib...Gene:<br /><br />It is our crisis. We are directly responsible for the whole blooming mess. Do I have to remind you, yet again, that we were the ones who destabilized the Middle East with the ill-considered invasion of Iraq in 2003?<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8699186261126222822016-06-29T13:36:25.863-04:002016-06-29T13:36:25.863-04:00Jan and Gene:
Do you really think Brexit would ha...Jan and Gene:<br /><br />Do you really think Brexit would have happened without the economic crisis of 2008 and ensuing deep recession and without the destabilization of the Middle East?<br /><br />Also Nigel Farage’s comparative thought experiment about NAFTA is sneaky and terribly misleading. Can you see how? This will require you to learn both about the EU and NAFTA. Happy researches!<br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-15314885450163102242016-06-29T12:59:00.007-04:002016-06-29T12:59:00.007-04:00So, why make it our crisis? Let the Muslims stew i...So, why make it our crisis? Let the Muslims stew in their own creation. If they eliminate each other, so much the better for the rest of the world.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74785079558946206952016-06-29T08:50:18.170-04:002016-06-29T08:50:18.170-04:00"Angela Merkel has also been demanding that m..."Angela Merkel has also been demanding that member states - like Britain - take large quotas of refugees because of the problem that she herself created by inviting everyone to Germany."<br /><br />Merkel did not create the refugee crisis. The Syrian civil war, rising from the despotic regime of the Assads, created the refugee crisis. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3512300310438217912016-06-29T07:34:34.661-04:002016-06-29T07:34:34.661-04:00I am for anything that is a blow against globalism...I am for anything that is a blow against globalism and egalitarianism...both forms of totalitarianism. I like regionalism, national sovereignty, and racial/cultural identity and heritage. Borders are good, boundaries are excellent, and there is nothing wrong at all with exclusivity and exceptionalism in their proper form. Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-76650773975945252312016-06-28T23:31:46.084-04:002016-06-28T23:31:46.084-04:00Anonymous 2, you may be interested in these commen...Anonymous 2, you may be interested in these comments of Nigel Farage - note I have only taken his comments about immigration, the US, etc. If you wish to read the whole article it is here: http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/28/europe/uk-eu-referendum-farage-interview/<br /><br />"Freedom, independence, democracy, not being a slave to somebody else is something on which you can't put a price," he said. "And what we did last Thursday is we voted to take back our country, to take back our laws, our courts, our borders, our pride and our self-respect. <br /><br />...<br /><br />Speaking directly to U.S. citizens, Farage asked them to consider the following scenario when evaluating how to feel about the British exit: "Imagine if NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Agreement) was a political union. Imagine if a court in Mexico could overrule anything that Congress did. Imagine if you have free movement of people with Mexico. How you you feel?" he asked. "You wouldn't like it.""<br /><br />In the last 10 years there have been changes in the law in Britain, etc, with the widespread overarching of the EU that has affected the British Army and many other bodies - rules, etc have had to be changed to reflect that. I am sure John Nolan will confirm that.<br /><br /><br />Also, from what I understand, the EU has planned other measures such as an EU Army, and a super state that would take control of the banks, etc. I think Britain made the right move. But in any event it sounds very much as if the EU is a failed experiment with countries like Britain forced to take on the debt of countries like Greece. A huge weekly sum has had to be paid to the EU as well.<br /><br />Angela Merkel has also been demanding that member states - like Britain - take large quotas of refugees because of the problem that she herself created by inviting everyone to Germany. She also can be blamed for the rise of the extreme right which no doubt will gain power in Germany before too long if what is being said is to be believed. When extremes are permitted to happen then, unfortunately, extreme countermeasures come into play. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59851733894959169722016-06-28T20:57:04.149-04:002016-06-28T20:57:04.149-04:00I am presently reading GIRLS AND SEX, navagiting t...I am presently reading GIRLS AND SEX, navagiting the complicated NEW LANDSCAPE by Peggy Orenstein. If I were the parent of a Teenage Boy or Girl in these times The Moslems would be the least of my worries!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73943043934497012632016-06-28T14:27:49.256-04:002016-06-28T14:27:49.256-04:00Jan:
I am not quite sure exactly how to understan...Jan:<br /><br />I am not quite sure exactly how to understand Pope Benedict’s position. He seems to be seeking a position in which it is not essential to salvation to become Christian without at the same time removing the motivation for missionary activity. The key seems to be the thought that “What the human person needs in order to be saved is a profound openness with regards to God, a profound expectation and acceptance of Him, and this correspondingly means that we, together with the Lord whom we have encountered, go towards others and seek to make visible to them the advent of God in Christ.” One way to understand this perhaps is that Christian witness and evangelization efforts help people to achieve the necessary openness, expectation, and acceptance because God becomes more real to them as a result. But I still need to think some more about it and also to learn more about the thought of Henri de Lubac.<br /><br />Perhaps other readers will have some insights on all this. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24934320946439901672016-06-28T14:18:45.121-04:002016-06-28T14:18:45.121-04:00Jan:
“People commenting on why they voted out of ...Jan:<br /><br />“People commenting on why they voted out of the EU have stated categorically that the EU immigration policy was the reason for their vote: they state whole areas of Britain have been taken over by Islamists who have not assimilated into the UK but push sharia law etc.”<br /><br />To the extent the immigration of Islamists was indeed a reason for their vote, such a statement betrays a profound ignorance of the EU. The immigration of Muslims into Britain occurs mostly independent of the EU. EU based immigration has mostly to do with the free movement of persons within the EU and, as I understand it, there was a perceived problem with the large numbers coming to the U.K. from the relatively new Eastern European members of the EU.<br /><br />In fact, the Brexit vote as a whole betrays a profound ignorance of the EU. This is not to deny that the “EU elites” have over-reached. But it has been one of the great benefits of the U.K. being a member that it has been able to resist and put a brake on such over-reaching by introducing a good dose of British horse sense into EU decision-making. I certainly hope that everyone is able to find a way for the UK to remain despite the vote. They are certainly looking for ways. It is important for the EU, for the U.K., and for the US and the rest of the world that they succeed.<br /><br />I would be interested to know what John Nolan thinks of it all.<br /><br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61988859289947991962016-06-28T05:49:15.197-04:002016-06-28T05:49:15.197-04:00Anonymous 2, I have had a look at your lists and, ...Anonymous 2, I have had a look at your lists and, undoubtedly, extremism can arise in every religious group. However, the numbers of violence reported on those sites pale into insignificance when looking at the site on terrorism which lists the Islamic atrocities. Overwhelmingly, Islamists are shown to be the biggest threat to peace and are a religious group that have shown the same trait since the inception of Islam - driven by violent passages in the Koran that urge that those who will not convert to Islam be killed and promising heaven to the perpetrators of violence.<br /><br />People commenting on why they voted out of the EU have stated categorically that the EU immigration policy was the reason for their vote: they state whole areas of Britain have been taken over by Islamists who have not assimilated into the UK but push sharia law etc. <br /><br />This is why Trump will win the US election because the media and commentators, polls etc, have seriously underestimated that the average man/woman in the street is heartily sick of all the PC garbage that has been pushed on them for 30/40 years and now unfettered immigration with little or no documentation allowing violent extremists to enter the country unchecked. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41644277390868120172016-06-28T05:35:40.865-04:002016-06-28T05:35:40.865-04:00Well, Anonymous 2, after carefully reading the fol...Well, Anonymous 2, after carefully reading the following statement of Benedict who, as you say, has chosen his words carefully, how do you interpret it? <br /><br />Benedict XVI:<br /><br />"Even less acceptable is the solution proposed by the pluralistic theories of religion, according to which all religions, each in their own way, would be means to salvation"? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86045391546359509062016-06-28T00:47:27.336-04:002016-06-28T00:47:27.336-04:00Jan:
Pope Benedict is very careful with the langu...Jan:<br /><br />Pope Benedict is very careful with the language he uses and, assuming that the English translation is faithful to the original, we need to read very carefully what he says in this section of his interview. Even after such a careful reading we likely need to do some hard thinking to understand his intended meaning. <br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-67343069198678102722016-06-28T00:46:37.748-04:002016-06-28T00:46:37.748-04:00Jan:
Without wishing to deny the extent and serio...Jan:<br /><br />Without wishing to deny the extent and seriousness of terrorist attacks or plots by Muslims, I posted the links with these lists to provide perspective and I encourage readers to look at them. The purpose, again, is not, to minimize terrorism by Muslims. Instead it is to demonstrate that the evil of terrorism proceeds from a dark place in the human heart that transcends any one religion or ideology and that no religion or society is immune to the risk of falling into such depravity. For confirmation you can look at the list of terrorist acts and plots in the United States and notice the headings of the various categories and the entries under them:<br /><br />• Organized KKK violence<br />• Left-wing extremism and anti-government<br />• White supremacy<br />• Antisemitism<br />• Puerto Rican nationalism<br />• Palestinian militancy<br />• Black radicalism<br />• Jewish extremism<br />• Right-wing extremism and anti-government<br />• Anti-abortion violence<br />• Islamic extremism<br /><br />On religious terrorism in the world specifically see also, for example:<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_religious_terrorism<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13065366442701752802016-06-27T05:20:34.499-04:002016-06-27T05:20:34.499-04:00Anonymous 2, yes, indeed, Benedict rejects out of ...Anonymous 2, yes, indeed, Benedict rejects out of hand the notion of salvation without the Christian faith. He says, in particular, "Even less acceptable is the solution proposed by the pluralistic theories of religion, according to which all religions, each in their own way, would be means to salvation". But here are the two positions he completely rejects which many hold in the Church these days. Thus - except for exceptional circumstances known only to God - it is necessary for Jews, Muslims and others to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior:<br /><br />"Lately several attempts have been formulated with the purpose of reconciling the universal necessity of the Christian faith with the possibility of salvation without it. Here I will mention two: first, Karl Rahner’s well-known thesis of anonymous Christians. He maintains that the basic and essential act at the root of Christian existence, which is decisive for salvation, in the transcendental structure of our consciousness, consists in the opening to the Other, to unity with God. In this vision, the Christian faith would raise to consciousness what is structural in man as such. Thus, when a man accepts himself in his essential being, he fulfills the essence of being a Christian without knowing what it is in a conceptual way. The Christian, therefore, coincides with the human and, in this sense, every man who accepts himself is a Christian even if he does not know it. It is true that this theory is fascinating, but it reduces Christianity itself to a purely conscious presentation of what a human being is in himself and therefore overlooks the drama of change and renewal that is central to Christianity.<br /><br />Even less acceptable is the solution proposed by the pluralistic theories of religion, according to which all religions, each in their own way, would be means to salvation and in this sense, in their effects must be considered equivalent. The kind of critique of religion used in the Old Testament is, in the New Testament and in the early Church, essentially more realistic, more concrete and truer in its examination of the various religions. Such a simplistic reception is not proportionate to the magnitude of the issue."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68655979795527462912016-06-27T05:11:34.824-04:002016-06-27T05:11:34.824-04:00Anonymous 2, re your post to Gene. I had a look a...Anonymous 2, re your post to Gene. I had a look at your lists and what is obvious is that Muslims are THE ONLY RELIGION in this modern day and age that are killing people in many different countries around the world. In fact, while the list of atrocities committed is indeed large MUSLIMS MAKE UP THE MAJOR GROUP of individual groups or organizations killing people by comparison in your list:<br /><br />List of non-terrorist incidents - 35 incidents listed between 1900 and 1969:<br /><br />Ku Klux Klan - 2<br />UVF - 4 - between 1950 - 69<br /><br /><br />Until I looked at your list I didn't realize there had been so many Islamic incidents on US soil. No wonder Trump has said immigration should be shut down until the situation is clearer and people can prove where they come from.<br /><br />Islamic extremism<br /><br /> April 14, 1972 (New York, NY): Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.<br /><br /> 1973 - 1974 (Oakland, CA): Series of shootings by a radicalized group claiming affiliation to "Nation of Islam".<br /><br /> March 9, 1977 (Washington, DC): Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.<br /><br /> January 25, 1993 (Langley, VA): A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.<br /><br /> February 26, 1993 (New York, NY): Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.<br /><br /> March 1, 1994 (Brooklyn, NY): A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.<br /><br /> March 23, 1997 (New York, NY): A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoots seven people in a Fedayeen attack.<br /><br /> September 11, 2001 (New York, NY): Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.<br /><br /> September 11, 2001 (Washington, DC): Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.<br /><br /> September 11, 2001 (Shanksville, PA): Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.<br /><br /> June 25, 2006 (Denver, CO): Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.<br /><br /> July 28, 2006 (Seattle, WA): An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.<br /><br /> June 1, 2009 (Little Rock, AR): A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.<br /><br /> November 5, 2009 Ft. Hood, TX A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.<br /><br /> September 11, 2011 (Waltham, MA): Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.<br /><br /> February 7, 2013 (Buena Vista, NJ): A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.<br /><br /> April 5, 2013 (Boston, MA): Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.<br /><br /> September 25, 2014 (Moore, OK): A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.<br /><br /> July 16, 2015 Chattanooga, TN A Muslim stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.<br /><br /> December 2, 2015 San Bernardino, CA A Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.<br /><br /> June 12, 2016 Orlando, FL Omar Mateen shoots and kills 49 people and injures 53 more at a gay bar, the largest mass shooting in U.S. history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com