tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post3249133969457219042..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: JUST WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THE ORDINARY FORM OF THE MASS?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-28945819591841378922015-04-11T10:57:30.031-04:002015-04-11T10:57:30.031-04:00Argh! That should of course be Pope BENEDICT. Tha...Argh! That should of course be Pope BENEDICT. That's what I get for posting using my tablet before fully caffeinated! Sorry about that.CPT Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09154486079844169215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59859589242439288072015-04-11T09:12:26.259-04:002015-04-11T09:12:26.259-04:00In his excellent book, Spirit of Liturgy Pope Be...In his excellent book, <i>Spirit of Liturgy </i> Pope Benefit wrote of there being so many options in the Ordinary Forum, that it gave the impression that the celebrant could make it up as they went. My question that I would ask him is, "Then why didn't you release another Instruction at the same time as Sumorium Pontificum eliminating most, if not all, the options to the Of?" This has always seemed to be a lack of follow through on his part considering his writings . CPT Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09154486079844169215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13101717876202157992015-04-10T14:43:06.842-04:002015-04-10T14:43:06.842-04:00I have read from more than one source that "w...I have read from more than one source that "well, both forms really need some tweaking..." <br /><br />This to me is a frightening statement. That's like walking into the cockpit of a 747 and flipping switches so they all go the same direction! Maybe the 1962 Missal missed the mark on Holy Week, but perhaps we should live with the EF as it stands a few hundred years before we add any more hagan lio. No one alive and in a completely regular situation with the Church has any lengthy experience from which to pass judgment on this venerable, ancient, and nigh perfect (if history is any measure), liturgy. Might we have ideas or preferences? Certainly. But the EF is not a laboratory. It is the fruit of longstanding tradition that, out of great reverence, was changed VERY little over centuries.<br /><br />Experimentation with the OF, right or wrong, would be consistent with the intention of its creators, but I pray that such experimentation is informed by the solemn previous OF, the current EF.<br /><br />God Bless,<br />StevenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71830367741320053732015-04-10T12:46:06.698-04:002015-04-10T12:46:06.698-04:00The problem is not the Ordinary Form (despite its ...The problem is not the Ordinary Form (despite its imprecise rubrics and plethora of options). The problem lies in the gadarene rush to vernacularization which took place in the years 1964 to 1967. Every abuse, from excessive informality and creativity to banal and inappropriate music can be attributed to this.<br /><br />The whole procedure was underpinned by the Big Lie - that we were 'restoring' something that had been lost and returning to a purer and more authentic liturgy. This argument was essentially that of the 16th century Protestants but this was surely different - Luther, Zwingli, Calvin et al. were denying the authority of the Catholic Church but these same ideas were now valid since they were advocated by the Papacy and reinforced by a General Council. <br /><br />Pope Paul VI said in 1969 that we were jettisoning things of great value (including Latin and Gregorian Chant)because this is what the Council wanted. He was not telling the truth. At the same time the monks of Solesmes were being tasked with producing a new Graduale (it appeared in 1974) which assumed that the Novus Ordo could and would be celebrated in Latin. <br /><br />'We love the Old Mass but would prefer it to be in English because we're Americans' is the sort of statement that crops up on US blogs but which makes no sense at all.<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-33042664992156136882015-04-10T12:34:13.091-04:002015-04-10T12:34:13.091-04:00Old age! I will correct the post a bit later.Old age! I will correct the post a bit later.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25176005580247209862015-04-10T12:30:16.901-04:002015-04-10T12:30:16.901-04:00Father -
Dr. Peter Kwasniewski is a layman, a pr...Father - <br /><br />Dr. Peter Kwasniewski is a layman, a professor at Wyoming Catholic College. Perhaps you've mistaken him for Fr. Christian Smith, who is a priest of the diocese of Charleston and tends to write on these things?Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07134069475410071781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83364385941761482922015-04-10T12:13:27.387-04:002015-04-10T12:13:27.387-04:00Merely permitting something, most of the time mean...Merely permitting something, most of the time means things will not happen. Perhaps if these things were required, the culture of disobedience would ignore them anyway. But without some type of recourse, we run into many problems. The lack of discipline is a huge problem in the Church. Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.com