tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post2921978101404825322..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: CAN THE CURRENT POPE REPENT OF HIS LATEST MAJOR MISTAKE AND CAN THE POST-VATICAN II MASS BE SAVED? YES TO BOTH!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4389625543543772552022-01-10T10:05:58.803-05:002022-01-10T10:05:58.803-05:00Pride and protecting a failed ideology at all cost...Pride and protecting a failed ideology at all costs (inclusive of what pleases our Lord as noted by Commentor Timothy) will prevent this from ever happening. We'll just have to wait patiently for the biological solution to bring about self-correction. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83415584027997783332022-01-10T01:05:16.539-05:002022-01-10T01:05:16.539-05:00Excellent point and the trouble with liturgists an...Excellent point and the trouble with liturgists and the Church of Vatican II…Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46048161355376930212022-01-09T21:32:32.489-05:002022-01-09T21:32:32.489-05:00So, I checked out the article and comments over at...So, I checked out the article and comments over at Praytell. lots of interesting theories about liturgy and engaging the people and the "flow" etc. I did not see a single reference to what might be pleasing to God or make our liturgy a more fitting worship of Almighty God with due reverence and splendor. Just sayin<br />Saint Michael the Arch Angel defend us in battle...Timothyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16961287155042857795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54643890258251858192022-01-09T16:11:18.608-05:002022-01-09T16:11:18.608-05:00John Nolan,
Only traditional Catholics can be “wr...John Nolan,<br /><br />Only traditional Catholics can be “wrong.” That attitude comes from the head of our ChurchTJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-47451088791469246432022-01-08T18:01:56.255-05:002022-01-08T18:01:56.255-05:00'I know some in the EF community who refuse to...'I know some in the EF community who refuse to attend an OF Mass, celebrated well, in Latin and ad orientem' (Fr AJM). I bet you know a lot more in the 'OF community' who would refuse to attend an OF Mass, celebrated well, in Latin and ad orientem. I suspect many of your parishioners would feel the light had gone out of their liturgical lives if they turned up for the principal Sunday Mass and found it mostly in Latin, with Gregorian chant and sacred polyphony. <br /><br />Are you going to call them out for being 'wrong'? John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6510386481705901382022-01-08T15:33:12.486-05:002022-01-08T15:33:12.486-05:00first it would require humility, good luck on that...first it would require humility, good luck on that, PF does not have a humble bone in his body, he's a middling actor but humility takes more than actingthe Egyptianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07215093180074844386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37601777297481171382022-01-08T14:36:28.081-05:002022-01-08T14:36:28.081-05:00Father McDonald,
Why is it wrong? Perhaps they fo...Father McDonald,<br /><br />Why is it wrong? Perhaps they found a place which offers the EF, and you have to admit, many of the prayers, such as the Offertory Prayers are much richer and developed than those of the OF. Even St. John Paul II said so. I guess I don't understand why an exception could not have been made for the EF you celebrated on Tuesday evening. There are bishops who have pursuant to Canon Law have suspended TC for circumstances such as you had. I think intellectually and pastorally, TC is a disaster. TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83811104456672464602022-01-08T12:06:13.156-05:002022-01-08T12:06:13.156-05:00I know some in the EF community who refuse to atte...I know some in the EF community who refuse to attend an OF Mass, celebrated well, in Latin and ad orientem. In fact, I celebrated an EF Mass every Tuesday evening here for almost six years until CT put an end to it. It is now an OF Latin Mass, completely ad orientem and with EF sensibilities and several who attended faithfully no long attend. That is wrong.<br /><br />I have heard of some priests who have the opportunity of a daily and Sunday EF Mass but will not celebrate the OF Mass. That is problematic but they aren't a huge number and each bishop needs to deal with that kind of thing on a case by case basis. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7577666035776993112022-01-08T11:23:02.965-05:002022-01-08T11:23:02.965-05:00Fr McDonald,
Do you have any concrete examples of...Fr McDonald,<br /><br />Do you have any concrete examples of priests imposing 'only EF Masses' on 'normally OF parishes?' Were there any in your diocese which might account for your bishop's arbitrarily imposed restrictions?<br /><br />Summorum Pontificum was a permissive document based on an immutable principle; it imposed nothing, and could hardly then be imposed on 'people who did not want it' in the way that firstly the vernacular Mass and the baggage that came with it, and later the missal of Paul VI, were imposed.<br /><br />Benedict XVI led by example; he had come to realize that 'mandating' things regarding the liturgy has led to the unholy mess in which we find ourselves. And yet you persist in thinking that the solution is to 'mandate' this, that and the other.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-33529284839517000832022-01-08T08:56:42.230-05:002022-01-08T08:56:42.230-05:00Father McDonald,
I agree with what you are saying...Father McDonald,<br /><br />I agree with what you are saying, but it's a tall order you are asking for. Admit error? It still amazes me that the world's bishops sat by, largely supine, and did nothing about the Concilium's work on the Novus Ordo Missae. Anyway, here is another interesting take on TC, from Phil Lawler, an author who documented the Catholic Church's post-Conciliar collapse in Boston:<br /><br />"Insofar as Traditionis Custodes provides any explanation for its open hostility toward Catholic traditionalists, that explanation lies in the claim that traditionalist communities have caused divisions within the Church. Therefore, Pope Francis suggests (and the Congregation for Divine Worship even more sternly insists) traditionalism must be suppressed.<br /><br />That logic is backward. It was not the traditionalist movement—much less the traditional liturgy—that exacerbated divisions within Catholicism. It was the current Vatican leadership—the very leadership that is now looking for a scapegoat to blame." <br /><br />TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.com