tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post2429475382086910706..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: DON'T MESS WITH THIS POPE!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1701655937103754562017-06-16T17:10:08.487-04:002017-06-16T17:10:08.487-04:00Anonymous, you're pathetic. To an historian, &...Anonymous, you're pathetic. To an historian, 'well documented' has a specific meaning. It does not equate to 'received opinion'. It means that there is enough evidence to enable reasonable conclusions to be drawn.<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-55976196060276679422017-06-15T10:19:32.017-04:002017-06-15T10:19:32.017-04:00"If you wish to argue otherwise, then by all ..."If you wish to argue otherwise, then by all means do so, and provide evidence in support."<br /><br />By the by, you've provided none. <br /><br />It was once "well documented" that hysteria was a "women's problem," that the moon was the cause of "lunacy," and that no American wine was superior to French wine.<br /><br />Boo YaaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80317400986823392532017-06-14T20:53:38.485-04:002017-06-14T20:53:38.485-04:00I wish our churchmen would concentrate as much on ...I wish our churchmen would concentrate as much on preserving the internal unity of Faith in the Church as they do on maintaining the external institutional unity of the Church. Adam Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90359503032748345232017-06-13T19:33:35.800-04:002017-06-13T19:33:35.800-04:00Anonymous
The situation regarding Lefebvre and th...Anonymous<br /><br />The situation regarding Lefebvre and the Vatican is well documented. So is the Vatican's treatment of Cardinal Mindszenty, which was coterminous. An objective analysis of the evidence does not support the contention that the Vatican, in both instances, always acted in good faith. And Villot did deliberately misrepresent the SSPX to Paul VI.<br /><br />If you wish to argue otherwise, then by all means do so, and provide evidence in support. Indulging in 'yaa-boo' invective is not intelligent debate, although if your other comments on this blog are anything to go by, it appears to be your stock-in-trade. Julian Barkin can perhaps be excused on account of his youth. I doubt this applies in your case.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-44176631085149926362017-06-13T18:09:59.194-04:002017-06-13T18:09:59.194-04:00It's a hallmark of those in error to redefine ...It's a hallmark of those in error to redefine words so as to cloud their meaning.<br /><br />Tribalism isn't racism, Racism isn't political correctness, racism isn't about race but "everything."<br /><br />And you have the effrontery to say, "On any objective assessment Paul VI, Cardinal Villot (who dripped poison into the pope's ear concerning SSPX)..."<br /><br />So much for valuing objectivity...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80675665150442342172017-06-13T17:12:25.594-04:002017-06-13T17:12:25.594-04:00I heard on EWTN last night that the bishop in ques...I heard on EWTN last night that the bishop in question was appointed by Benedict XVI. That means this has been dragging on for far too long, and I agree with Pope Francis' decision to put a stop to the nonsense.Carol H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02475843499648488542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90579852264427832522017-06-13T14:46:53.319-04:002017-06-13T14:46:53.319-04:00Anonymous @ 11:52
It's a hallmark of PC to st...Anonymous @ 11:52<br /><br />It's a hallmark of PC to stretch the nebulous term 'racism' so far as to cover virtually everything. Tribalism in an African context has a specific meaning, which has little to do with race.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-67446339919010273632017-06-13T12:38:40.237-04:002017-06-13T12:38:40.237-04:00That is an interesting response, John, because I w...That is an interesting response, John, because I would not expect people to think to emulate the Africans As a group but rather to seek inspiration from the successful indivual struggles and affirmations of Faith those struggles have produced. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-79444310692601438652017-06-13T12:16:14.591-04:002017-06-13T12:16:14.591-04:00Julian, the things which you oppose so vehemently ...Julian, the things which you oppose so vehemently have no existence outside your own imagination. Since you were not around in the 1970s, I suggest you do some research into the genesis of the SSPX - Michael Davies's 'Apologia pro Marcel Lefebvre' is a good starting point. On any objective assessment Paul VI, Cardinal Villot (who dripped poison into the pope's ear concerning SSPX) and the French hierarchy come out of the affair with little credit. The worst thing that can be said of Lefebvre was that he was stubborn and inflexible - and, pace Bergoglio, rigidity in defence of truth is no vice.<br /><br />To invent a category of people, demonize them and then move to exterminate them is redolent of Stalin's war on the 'kulaks'. I can just see you in OGPU uniform circa 1932.<br /><br /> John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89781831634766798272017-06-13T11:52:13.924-04:002017-06-13T11:52:13.924-04:00"...the Nigerian bishop was rejected on ethni..."...the Nigerian bishop was rejected on ethnic grounds, which violates the creed of Political Correctness."<br /><br />No, it's not about Political Correctness.<br /><br />It's about the explicit racism. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-38530079387810452662017-06-13T11:33:16.654-04:002017-06-13T11:33:16.654-04:00Julian has been plumbing the depths of ignorance o...Julian has been plumbing the depths of ignorance on the blog for a long time. He has now reached bottom and has begun to dig.Genenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1139481525566201102017-06-13T10:26:09.565-04:002017-06-13T10:26:09.565-04:00John I'll just say straight up, I'm not ig...John I'll just say straight up, I'm not ignorant on the general situation. I am anti Radical Traditonalism/Radical Misrepresenting Traditonalism. I will continue to be as long as I live and want to see the Latin Mass movement be rid of this foul spiritual poison from Hell. I won't change for you and I'll leave it to Fr AJM to kick me off his blog.Servimus Unum Deumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12521042317656015840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73822932688433468222017-06-13T10:09:48.805-04:002017-06-13T10:09:48.805-04:00I basically agree with this action and strongly ag...I basically agree with this action and strongly agree with the reason. What I am not sure about is how this will be recieved and responded to by the African clergy. I sense that this is composed in a frame that is aimed at the cultural sensibilities of the addressees. I hope it is successful. I had a thought similar to John Nolan concerning the response of the German bishops to Pope Benedict and believe it is important for the message to be composed for the bishops and clergy in question. The individual pope will manage that in his own way. In this case there is a significant need to address real violence and civil war even between Catholics of ethnic tribes in Africa. By comparison the European political battles are trivial. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-35084209595426955712017-06-13T09:29:41.275-04:002017-06-13T09:29:41.275-04:00This is a salutary lesson for those who look to Af...This is a salutary lesson for those who look to Africa for some kind of orthodox Catholic renaissance. Tribalism is a fact of life and efforts by old-style missionary priests to emphasize the universality of the Church were undermined by mistaken post-Vatican II notions of 'inculturation'.<br /><br />However, when a German diocese rejected the appointment of a bishop who was deemed not 'liberal' enough, the pope (Benedict XVI) backed down. So, however Francis may like to dress it up, the issue is not one of principle; the Nigerian bishop was rejected on ethnic grounds, which violates the creed of Political Correctness.<br /><br />I would remind Julian Barkin that the founder of the SSPX knew Africa and the Africans far better than does Pope Francis and his Secretary of State, and to suggest that Lefebvre or the Society he founded espoused some form of 'Catholic tribalism' scales the heights of absurdity and plumbs the depths of ignorance.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62761556803416252792017-06-13T09:11:46.471-04:002017-06-13T09:11:46.471-04:00Pope Francis uses papal authority to stamp out tri...Pope Francis uses papal authority to stamp out tribalism and prejudice in the church and all we can do is condemn him for not using it elsewhere where these is dissent. I agree he should be stronger on the other types of dissent as well but we shouldn't overlook the good example of exercising papal authority here. Mordacilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10223369751703104652017-06-13T08:07:47.665-04:002017-06-13T08:07:47.665-04:00Well I think these priests should follow the examp...Well I think these priests should follow the example of the holy Father himself.......just remain silent. And if it causes a mess, well didn't Francis ask for that. <br /><br />All these rules and commands, after all Francis isn't some renaissance prince. <br /><br />Like the ENTIRE conference of German bishops said, regarding the Synod on the Family, they aren't subservient to the bishop of Rome and they will do what they think best. And Francis was silent. Why can't these priests follow that example? Hummmmmmm<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53237520840195744222017-06-13T07:41:22.054-04:002017-06-13T07:41:22.054-04:00I'd love him to issue this kind of directive t...I'd love him to issue this kind of directive to the SSPX who do the EF but show disobedience to the Church and the Pipe with their "Catholic Tribalism." The<br />Y have still not retracted calling Francis a modernist to this day<br />Servimus Unum Deumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12521042317656015840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50478867169162023982017-06-13T05:36:15.263-04:002017-06-13T05:36:15.263-04:00"Don't mess with this pope" if you&#..."Don't mess with this pope" if you're African, more like. I'd love to see him show this much authority with the German bishops.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13873507031809422203noreply@blogger.com