tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post1872798483119897772..comments2024-03-28T01:50:39.781-04:00Comments on southern orders: APART FROM THE SCRIPTURE READINGS FOR THE FIRST SUNDAY OF LENT, DID THE HOMILIST AT YOUR MASS SPEAK OF THE DEVIL?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73411683139627734162014-03-13T06:37:21.501-04:002014-03-13T06:37:21.501-04:00Gene, absolutely right! JanGene, absolutely right! JanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61663430486522652972014-03-11T17:09:28.830-04:002014-03-11T17:09:28.830-04:00rcg - For the record, I believe all that the Catho...rcg - For the record, I believe all that the Catholic Church teaches to be revealed by God. <br /><br />If, at any time, you wonder about what I believe, please refer back to this statement for the clarity you need.<br /><br />That being said, there are many acceptable and Catholic ways to envision, speak about, image, understand, teach about, or otherwise apprehend Satan, the Devil, the Evil One, Beelzebub, etc.<br /><br />There are MANY ways a homilist might have preached a homily on the readings of the First Sunday of Lent, including but not limited to, some reference to the Devil.<br /><br />Just because one person does not hear the exact words he/she wants or expects to hear is not cause to go running off to the "That Parish Is No Longer Catholic" side of the room, wailing and lamenting the loss of faith, the "misleading" statements of the Holy Father, or the coming "Last Straw" that will drive the marplots out of the Church and into the arms of the schismatic SSPX.<br /><br />Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-72504177569291785182014-03-11T11:58:05.392-04:002014-03-11T11:58:05.392-04:00You could have made that point in your initial rep...You could have made that point in your initial reply and could have taken the stance that Van should ponder the lesson to determine what was really said, discussed it with friends to find out what they heard, and even asked the homilist to clarify. We know that what Van thinks he heard is not Catholic teaching, JN's response to the posit is true. Your response allows for the posit to be true as well. Just be careful that your habitual response to people like JN does not put you in defense of something you actually oppose. Those whom we like can do no wrong, those we hate can do nothing right. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-76349440350625676842014-03-11T09:13:25.322-04:002014-03-11T09:13:25.322-04:00rcg - To conclude, based upon the biased and anecd...rcg - To conclude, based upon the biased and anecdotal reporting of one traditionalist individual, that a parish is "clearly not Catholic" is the really dangerous circumstance here.<br /><br />But that's the M.O. of the traddie folks I encounter. We have no idea what was said at Van's church. Was the word "fiction" used by the homilist, or is that Van's choice? What is the context in which the "-isms" were mentioned. What else did the homilist say that Van didn't hear, or didn't understand, or didn't remember, or didn't report on this blog?<br /><br />My comment had nothing to do with the reality of Satan and the reality of evil. Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41386945464602443232014-03-10T22:30:33.079-04:002014-03-10T22:30:33.079-04:00PI, I am astonished that you would toy with someth...PI, I am astonished that you would toy with something as dangerous as this. JN has listed numerous Liturgical forms that are very different yet Universal, Catholic, in their fidelity to God and the Church, and therefore their real loathing of a real Satan; therefore he obviously does not refer to the EF. It is at least foolish to play a game with words on this point. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-15924721697307657662014-03-10T21:02:58.487-04:002014-03-10T21:02:58.487-04:00If one wants to (or in fact does) hold the positio...If one wants to (or in fact does) hold the position the Satan is just a metaphorical or allegorical construct and not a real being, such a position is antithetical and in diametrical opposition to what the Catholic church teaches.<br /><br />Baptismal promises(Yes-against a real being)<br /><br />V. Do you reject Satan?<br />R. I do.<br />V. And all his works?<br />R. I do.<br />V. And all his empty promises?<br />R. I do. Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25520928016877830592014-03-10T19:14:10.988-04:002014-03-10T19:14:10.988-04:00Jan, it means that unbelief rules in your diocese....Jan, it means that unbelief rules in your diocese...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36527160103631695882014-03-10T16:36:53.403-04:002014-03-10T16:36:53.403-04:00I enjoyed your sermon, Father. Our sermon was ver...I enjoyed your sermon, Father. Our sermon was very short: the three foods for Catholics during Lent: the Word of God, the Eucharist and the will of God. That was the gist of it.<br /><br />The priests in our diocese I believe have been asked not to mention the Devil, hell (for fear of offending someone) and we rarely even hear heaven mentioned for that matter. That means we all grow lax and tepid.<br /><br />JanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-5388457172991371752014-03-10T11:33:44.830-04:002014-03-10T11:33:44.830-04:00John - The suggestion that Van's church is &qu...John - The suggestion that Van's church is "clearly not Catholic" is supported by what evidence?<br /><br />And there is nothing - nothing - in the command to fulfill one's Sunday obligation about this command not being legitimate unless the mass is "more or less universal."Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-5704155202662225242014-03-10T11:14:21.096-04:002014-03-10T11:14:21.096-04:00Van, why are you still going to this church, when ...Van, why are you still going to this church, when it is clearly not Catholic? Don't be seduced by those who bang on about 'obligation' - it is a two-way process and only made sense when the Mass was more or less universal.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73830878965027344262014-03-09T10:57:44.292-04:002014-03-09T10:57:44.292-04:00My homilist alluded to the devil as being a work o...My homilist alluded to the devil as being a work of fiction the scripture writers employed, as he expressed the "real" sins of our times are the various "-isms", like consumerism, narcissism, eliteism, etc.Vannoreply@blogger.com