tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post1390913064947583064..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: THE FEW CATHOLICS AFFECTED BY TRADITIONIS CUSTODES, SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED OR WRITE THEM OFF?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39362983184675234862022-01-08T09:09:29.546-05:002022-01-08T09:09:29.546-05:00Fathers Fox and McDonald,
This is the last gasp o...Fathers Fox and McDonald,<br /><br />This is the last gasp of the doubleknit dinosaurs. Many younger bishops are actually friendly to tradition and the EF and they are not imposing the nastier aspects of TC and some are ignoring it altogether. Moreover, my pastor is 32, and celebrates the EF. These folks in the Vatican are truly delusional if they think he will forget how to celebrate the EF, even he even chooses temporarilly to stop celebrating the EF. Once PF is gone, it will not be long before TC becomes dead letter except in a Diocese run by some old spirit of Vatican II type, but even there, that won't last because that bishop has to retire at 75 and there are not many progressives in the younger clergy from which bishops are selected. I have never encountered a "progressive" priest under the age of 50. TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80314318303404254862022-01-08T05:54:40.546-05:002022-01-08T05:54:40.546-05:00The pope and those advising him have blundered. Bu...The pope and those advising him have blundered. But they don’t care. The ideologies of the 1970’s can’t fully triumph without a fully narcissistic liturgy and that’s not the antecedent Mass and sacraments.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-975952833863981612022-01-07T22:24:24.141-05:002022-01-07T22:24:24.141-05:00It's just sad, because I can't see much go...It's just sad, because I can't see much good fruit from this.<br /><br />Not even for the stated goal: of inducing those devoted to traditional things to be more devoted to Vatican II and to the pope. How does being so cruel to them help in that regard?Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-35417801594112648492022-01-07T16:00:30.341-05:002022-01-07T16:00:30.341-05:00Father McDonald,
This is from Pew Research from a...Father McDonald,<br /><br />This is from Pew Research from around 2019 and I doubt things have gotten any better:<br /><br />"Indeed, about half (52%) of all U.S. adults who were raised Catholic have left the church at some point in their lives. A significant minority of them returned, but most (four-in-ten of all those raised Catholic) have not. Roughly two-thirds of those who have not returned (28% of all those raised Catholic) are now ex-Catholics."<br /><br />As a Catholic who grew up with the glorious Pre Vatican II Church, this depresses me.TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-33718907067183593972022-01-07T14:59:15.488-05:002022-01-07T14:59:15.488-05:00Not sure who to attribute this to:
"In other...Not sure who to attribute this to:<br /><br />"In other words, the two Roman texts of the last six months create a cluster bomb that the bishops will have to deal with in the coming months. Personally, I think that the Church, deeply tainted by the sexual abuse of minors, has other priorities and that she cannot afford the luxury of a crisis of this kind."<br /><br />Evidently, the Church, deeply tainted by the sexual abuse of minors, does not have other priorities that she cannot afford the luxury of a crisis of this kind as that is exactly what has happened here. A crisis, perhaps for the few, that didn't need to happen. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54471086201842454832022-01-07T12:52:17.846-05:002022-01-07T12:52:17.846-05:00Father McDonald,
The OF continues to shed Catholi...Father McDonald,<br /><br />The OF continues to shed Catholics and the EF inspires vocations. Catholic parishes are closing in cities like Chicago even in heavily Hispanic neighborhoods. In France 25 percent of ordinations are men who celebrate the EF. Look, I admire you and your work. You recognize the problem, but not enough of your brother priests do because they are heavily involved in the failing status quo. I believe your approach has been successful. Unfortunately there are not enough of you in the typical parishTJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48027155455068061422022-01-07T11:40:54.311-05:002022-01-07T11:40:54.311-05:00As we pray, so we believe. The Ordinary Form has ...As we pray, so we believe. The Ordinary Form has been like an I.V. drip slowly and consistently putting toxins into the Church's veins. 33% of Catholics believe in the Real Presence and fewer than one half of them pray daily, etc., etc. This is unsustainable. True, traditional Catholics are a very small minority but they are indeed increasing in number and producing many vocations. Who are you going to believe, me? or your own eyes?Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532906102654768874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39187595997755466062022-01-07T10:18:42.686-05:002022-01-07T10:18:42.686-05:00Father: Your elucidation of your experiences reall...Father: Your elucidation of your experiences really hits home. To me, it is a true example of accompaniment across time and in different settings. I cannot think of a better example that underscores your closing point. There was never a need for Francis and his ilk to do what he/they have done, and are now doing, with great gusto. I said at the beginning that TC was a solution looking for a problem. I have never believed that Bishops actually told the Pope, through a survey, in a significant way, that would drive a "correction", that adherents to the Traditional Form were tearing dioceses apart and creating division and fracture. I have always believed that he has manufactured this crisis. I firmly believe he is disingenuous and put TC out in some fake fraternal way. I assert that he is pursuing a long held personal agenda in a harsh crackdown reminiscent of his MO as the Jesuit Leader in Argentina. He is an old dog that has never changed and we will simply have to live with this until we don't have to. My prayer is that the damage he has done as Holy Father, in this and other matters, is not perpetuated in the next Conclave.Tom Makinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16205083082154096793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39683578318280524312022-01-07T10:13:11.289-05:002022-01-07T10:13:11.289-05:00TJM, the adherents to the EF Mass are a very small...TJM, the adherents to the EF Mass are a very small number in the Church worldwide. It would be like saying charismatic Catholics will be the only ones left in the sink hole of ordinary form Catholicism. That simply isn't the case worldwide.<br /><br />The Ordinary Form will remain; it isn't going anywhere. I believe another pope, though, will restore the Benedict option. That is my prayer anyway. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88621900933391098892022-01-07T10:02:23.865-05:002022-01-07T10:02:23.865-05:00Father McDonald,
Here is a comment from a layman ...Father McDonald,<br /><br />Here is a comment from a layman on the current situation. <br /><br />'Our family came to tradition just as Francis became pope and my kids were entering their young adult years. I am grateful for that bolt of grace which has steeled us thru recent years. My kids see it this way: the clergy of a certain age see the disaster their life’s work has produced and in their pride are playing out their bitterness tantrum-style. Their intractability in the face of kids who love God and His church in its traditional form and live the faith causes the kids to have little respect for them whom they would otherwise defend to the enth degree. In the words of a diocesan seminarian I know, who upon being asked, answered with an admirable display of restraint out of charity: ‘F1 doesn’t inspire me’."<br /><br />I think ultimately, long after the current Pontificate, the EF will be around and be attended by Faithful Catholics while the demographic sinkhole continues to engulf the Spirit of Vatican II Church. The OF will need to morph more into the EF if the Church wants to flourish. After all, only 30% of its current attendees believe in the Real Presence. That fact alone should cause the heirarchy considerable pause about TC. TJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07280218128963202431noreply@blogger.com