tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post1383551615074570611..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO OPPOSE SAME SEX MARRIAGE?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53286796583614603422010-08-17T16:03:10.730-04:002010-08-17T16:03:10.730-04:00Civil unions...hmmm....anything goes, I guess. On ...Civil unions...hmmm....anything goes, I guess. On my way to Kroger this morning I passed a field with several rather attractive goats grazing near the fence....Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23376110277729491592010-08-17T13:32:20.363-04:002010-08-17T13:32:20.363-04:00Fighting same sex marriage is futile (same as figh...Fighting same sex marriage is futile (same as fighting climbing divorce rates) because they are symptoms of the problem, not the problem itself. The problem is immorality in society. We should be striving to live lives which Glorify God, instead we live lives which Glorify ourselves. Getting the sexual relationship we want; getting out of a marriage that has grown too hard or too stale; and even engaging in legal contortions to get a better tax break; none of these things have anything to do with Glorifying God. Marriage should be defended as an institution because it pleases God that it be done. It is likely a losing battle in the short term because Societies have shown themselves to through cycles of morality, and we've probably passed the tipping point and heading down the slope. Eventually, probably not in our life times, some cataclysmic event will trigger a final societal collapse and then a period of suffering and eventually recovery.<br /><br />We know this because history has demonstrated it, and because our Lady has told us it will be so.<br /><br />So, if we are to fight, and that fight is to be futile in terms of our own ability to affect change, why should we seek compromise? We should cleave to the Truth, the Whole Truth which is the deposit of the Faith of Orthodox Catholicism and fight without concern for victory. Fight for what is Right, not what is achievable. Compromise is the road to relativism.Templarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18204866760862707908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60894548953624694472010-08-17T12:08:15.390-04:002010-08-17T12:08:15.390-04:00Father M. If the relation were only for the tax b...Father M. If the relation were only for the tax benefit it would be a form of fraud, similar to marrying a woman for citizenship. OTOH, I would support such relationships ala 'adopting' my ailing mother-in-law so I could care for her. The tax benefit in that case is the same as if she was gaining her support from charity that I contribute.<br /><br />I am convinced the tax and other benefits are the sole point of the exercise. Are gay couples willing to accept higher premiums on their insurance based on the actuarial results of their lifestyle? <br /><br />rcgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-76434012929923732322010-08-17T10:59:49.664-04:002010-08-17T10:59:49.664-04:00I was thinking about "civil unions" or &...I was thinking about "civil unions" or "partnerships" that would allow those in these unions the benefit of hospital visits, but more importantly, tax benefits, inheriting one's pension, social security, etc. If the law of the land called such unions, civil unions and not marriages when one could not legally marry because of gender issues, one could still get the benefits afforded to married couples. So, I wonder if as a priest I could enter a non-sexual civil union and get the tax benefits as well as pension and social security benefits that are normally afforded married heterosexual couples. Also could these civil unions that in law would treat those in them as those in marriage, be extended to multiple partners so that polygamy could benefit as well. And how about incestuous civil unions?--just musing---Fr. AJMFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2649551816311167952010-08-15T23:16:11.419-04:002010-08-15T23:16:11.419-04:00Andrew, same sex marriage is part of the assault o...Andrew, same sex marriage is part of the assault on marriage and accepting it does not improve the plight of traditional marriage. This would imply that the attack on marriage is based on resentment of the status of married couples, per your second paragraph. This would fall into the over simplistic category of two wrongs not making a right. <br /><br />Disregarding the unlikely premise of whether homosexuality is socially acceptable, the idea that Catholics must work to make those relationships just and healthy concludes that the Catholic must accept defeat of the Catholic Doctrine. Rather your conclusion should be framed as a question: can same sex unions be just and healthy? The answer is no because they presume sex as part of the relationship when it is not required for any reason except personal sensual satisfaction. It distorts interpersonal relations to include sex for no other reason. This is not considered healthy even for male/female relationships and reduces one or both parties to prostitutes for the relationship. Humans must include the mental and spiritual aspects of their natures in sex or they are dehumanised and reduced to mere animals, at best. <br /><br />It is strange to consider that Catholic social teaching is considered old fashioned when it has emphasised the connection of sex and procreation for many years. Thinking creatures would reason that this connection would free women from being recreational sex objects and activate the mental aspect of Mankind to objectively understand and try to master the animal aspect of our physical natures.<br /><br />Instead we turn away from our Spiritual natures, abuse our physical selves, and waste our mental powers on rationalising why we should have sex with everything except that which will actually give meaning to the act and creates another being. Homosexuality is not even rational.<br /><br />Catholic doctrine cannot be countered by false analogies, poor reasoning, and false dilemma. At its core is the state wherein people can be in loving relationships that are deep and meaningful regardless of the sex of the person and without physical gratification as a premise. <br /><br />rcgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75812652398396167242010-08-15T17:54:15.569-04:002010-08-15T17:54:15.569-04:00Andrew, just how do people in same sex unions live...Andrew, just how do people in same sex unions live holy and chaste lives? It seems to me fundamentally impossible for them to do so because the very nature of their union is sinful and an abomination. This choice of life style is directly and willfully counter to Judaeo-Christian values, and it is willfully destructive of social order. They combine sexual sin with the sins of defiance and hatred. Many actively scorn the Church and her teachings, and they flaunt their perversions publicly. The whole notion of same sex pairings is a lie, both biological and social (not to mention theological). Hell, no, they should not be given the same tax benefits as normal married couples. It is just this kind of thinking that is the reason behind our moral decline. It is a bunch of egalitarian nonsense that must be combatted or there will be nothing left of civilization or the Church.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41382876122225070812010-08-15T15:48:01.513-04:002010-08-15T15:48:01.513-04:00Father,
I believe you are entirely correct in you...Father, <br />I believe you are entirely correct in your assertion that divorce is more dangerous and destructive than civil unions. Neither the state nor the church can ever police the actions of people in their own homes, whether a married man and woman, or otherwise. And neither the state nor the church can make decisions about who people will keep their house with. <br />I believe there are injustices within the law that create jealousy towards traditional married couples by those have no desire to be married, but still desire the social and legal benefits married persons are provided by our society. <br />If we are not prepared to take away the tax benefits, etc of being married, and we also hold that all citizens should be equal under the law, then we will have to afford those benefits to same sex pairs. <br />The important thing then, as Catholics, is to keep clear the distinction between people living together in whatever way they will, and people living in the sacrament of matrimony thru the Church. And as Christian citizens we should not try to force others to live like us, but rather to support righteousness in all. <br />If, as Christians, we must live in a world where homosexual relationships are considered socially acceptable, we should try to help those relationships to be as healthy and just as possible. The fact that two people of the same sex happen to live in the same house & are considered under the law in the same way that married couples are, this won't destroy the world - sin will. People that are in same sex unions, and those that are in marriages, can live sinful, destructive, fleeting lives, or holy, committed, and chaste ones. It is the latter we should hope for, then respect and support when we encounter them.Andrew Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11980228894702415462010-08-15T12:33:52.434-04:002010-08-15T12:33:52.434-04:00Father could you help spread the word about the fi...Father could you help spread the word about the first ever latin mass eucharistic congress in Georgia. Thanks for any help you can give and God Bless-if we can ever be of help, all you have to do is ask.<br /><br />John Rasnick<br />State chairman of Una Voce Georgia<br />www.unavoce-ga.org<br /><br /><br />Sunday, August 15, 2010<br />Schedule of First Latin Mass Eucharistic Congress for Youth<br /> <br />Below is the scedule for the very first Tridentine ( Latin Mass) Eucharistic Congress for Young People in Georgia. It is at St Andrews parish in Rosewell-Atlanta Diocese Father Bing of EWTN will be hosting this event. Please spread the word and lets show this great support. The fees are now waived. If you can't afford pay the fee then you get to attend free. If you can afford to, then all you are asked to do is make a donation to cover costs.<br /><br /><br />ADORE 2010 Eucharistic Youth Conference<br />Atlanta, Georgia – August 20‐22, 2010<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />DAY 1 (Friday, August 20, 2010 – In Honor of the Sacred Heart of Jesus)<br /><br /><br />9:00am Registration / Breakfast<br />9:30am HOLY HOUR of ADORATION (Confession begins)<br />11:00am Welcoming / Orientation<br />12:00pm Lunch<br />1:00pm Group Dynamics<br />1:30pm 1st TALK: “Doubt No Longer But Believe” – Fr. Jose Viola, OATH<br />3:00pm Group Workshops / Break<br />4:00pm ADORE 2010 Opening Mass (Traditional Latin Mass)<br />6:00pm Dinner<br />7:00pm ADORE 2010 Cultural Night<br />8:00pm HOLY HOUR of ADORATION<br />9:00pm Dismissal<br /><br /><br />DAY 2 (Saturday August 21, 2010 – In Honor of the Immaculate Heart of Mary)<br /><br /><br />8:00am Registration / Breakfast<br />8:30am Morning Prayers (Confession begins)<br />9:00am Living Rosary<br />10:00am ADORE 2010 Opening Ceremony<br />10:30am 2nd TALK: “Fearless Apostles of the Eucharist” – Fr. Edgardo “Bing” Arellano<br />12:00pm Lunch<br />1:45pm Group Dynamics<br />2:00pm 3rd TALK: “Courage to be Pure” – Fr. Edgardo “Bing” Arellano<br />3:30pm Group Workshops / Break<br />4:00pm HOLY MASS (Traditional Latin Mass)<br />6:00pm Dinner<br />7:00pm EUCHARISTIC PROCESSION<br />9:00pm Dismissal<br /><br /><br />DAY 3 (Sunday August 22, 2010)<br /><br /><br />9:00am Registration / Breakfast<br />9:30am Morning Prayers / Rosary (Confession begins)<br />10:15am Group Dynamics<br />10:30am 4th TALK: “No Greater Love” – Fr. Edgardo “Bing” Arellano<br />12:00pm Lunch<br />1:00pm Group Workshop / Break<br />2:00pm 5th TALK: “The Call to Holiness” – Fr. Edgardo “Bing” Arellano<br />3:30pm Vocation Challenge<br />4:15pm ADORE 2010 Final Mass (Traditional Latin Mass)<br />6:00pm Closing Address / Picture‐taking / Dismissal<br /><br />For more information about the Alliance of the Two Hearts and the Adore 2010 conference, visit http://www.allianceoftwoheartsgeorgia.com/ or contact Diane Guesman at (770) 993-1846 or diane7guesman@att.net or Margarita Santiago at (678) 521-0484 or mestgo777@yahoo.com.Una Voce of Atlantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06866030168426940053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42745520099966370122010-08-15T09:36:43.777-04:002010-08-15T09:36:43.777-04:00Don't want to derail an important discussion, ...Don't want to derail an important discussion, but animals will make sex displays toward same sex creatures due, usually, to the overwhelming nature of the drive. While this is often cited as proof that homosexuality is normal and natural, it simply demonstrates that animals have very a limited ability to reason almost no self awareness qua man. Perhaps that shows the result of knowledge from the creation story: we can and do know better and that is why it is a sin.<br /><br />I am of the opinion that homosexuality as we know it today is primarily an illness similar to excess drink and food or sloth. Pinan, you and I have discussed this before in relation to those sins of excess. I have seen the same behaviour in gay people trying to validate their activities as I see in people who are refuse to control other appetites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1465162810974303562010-08-15T07:17:46.784-04:002010-08-15T07:17:46.784-04:00RCG, I am not aware of any animals that engage in ...RCG, I am not aware of any animals that engage in such behaviors in their natural state.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39136280024068015922010-08-15T00:01:09.686-04:002010-08-15T00:01:09.686-04:00Seconded, Kiwi. This trend is the opposite of wha...Seconded, Kiwi. This trend is the opposite of what we are told: it is a conscious reversion and surrender to animal urges contrary to the development of our better nature. It has enslaved men and women to sex while telling them they are liberated. It is one part of an empty lie told in small installments.<br /><br />rcgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31613461738326928152010-08-14T17:09:01.852-04:002010-08-14T17:09:01.852-04:00kiwi and Father should go on a speaking tour.
You ...kiwi and Father should go on a speaking tour.<br />You both articulated it so well!<br /><br />anon at 7:44Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62947985595625676082010-08-14T14:34:32.116-04:002010-08-14T14:34:32.116-04:00Kiwii, That is probably the most succinct and accu...Kiwii, That is probably the most succinct and accurate analysis of this abhorrent phenomenon I have ever read. Thanks.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34058770260564584682010-08-14T11:17:38.575-04:002010-08-14T11:17:38.575-04:00Same sex "marriage" is the inevitable re...Same sex "marriage" is the inevitable result of the contraceptive culture embraced by the world four decades ago.<br /><br />Once the procreative aspect of marriage is negated and children are no longer regarded as the supreme gift of marriage, then marriage has <i>already</i> been redefined. We've stripped it of its procreative function. From that point on it's really just a matter of time..............<br /><br />If marriage has been redefined, we shouldn't be surprised, therefore, when other forms of "marriage" which are inherently unnatural, are proposed as valid choices and "normal".kiwiinamericahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03584836925358624544noreply@blogger.com