tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post1332788756465927456..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: AHHHH ORIENTEM! ONCE AGAIN, POPE FRANCIS IN CONTINUITY WITH POPE BENEDICT, ENDORSES IN THE MOST PUBLIC WAY IN THE SISTINE CHAPEL THE CELEBRATION OF THE HOLY SACRIFICE OF THE MASS IN THE ORDINARY FORM AD ORIENTEM! AND THIS AD ORIENTEM PAPAL MASS AT THE VATICAN IS AS CLOSE AS THE VATICAN CAN COME TO HAVING A NORMAL PARISH MASS AND SOME 50 YEARS AFTER VATICAN II, ONE WOULD THINK THAT THIS STYLE OF CELEBRATION OF THE ORDINARY FORM MASS WITH GREGORIAN CHANT, VERNACULAR AND AD ORIENTEM WOULD BE THE NORM THROUGHOUT THE WORLD! WHY ISN'T IT?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-28815562469255666662018-01-10T15:41:15.513-05:002018-01-10T15:41:15.513-05:00ByzRC,
You and I are on the same page. Unfortunat...ByzRC,<br /><br />You and I are on the same page. Unfortunately we have a poster here who has gone off the rails. Kind of like Democrats who worshiped Obama!TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41534757293327682822018-01-10T12:23:50.036-05:002018-01-10T12:23:50.036-05:00TJM -
Good article. I believe I mentioned somet...TJM - <br /><br />Good article. I believe I mentioned something similar in a separate post: <br /><br />"“Third”, he emphasized, “the Pope cannot be the focal point of the daily life of the faith of a Catholic faithful. The focal point must instead be Christ.” <br /><br />“Otherwise, we become victims of an insane pope-centrism or of a kind of popalatry, an attitude which is alien to the tradition of the Apostles, of the Church Fathers and of the greater tradition of the Church.”"<br /><br />In all seriousness and for the good and well-being of those inclined to follow the Pope almost to an excess, careful consideration should be given to the words of the Bishop. We are called to worship Christ and that worship shouldn't be overshadowed by following the words/actions of a man-representative here on Earth. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75758616942199183032018-01-10T10:09:56.356-05:002018-01-10T10:09:56.356-05:00The resident papalator should read this before com...The resident papalator should read this before commenting again:<br /><br /><br />https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bishop-schneider-interview-catholics-must-not-become-victims-of-an-insane-p?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com&utm_campaign=8f3cb73c21-Catholic_1_9_2018&utm_medium=emaTJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-28830595617974961222018-01-09T15:55:23.138-05:002018-01-09T15:55:23.138-05:00Mark Thomas -
Christ is baptized!
You neglected...Mark Thomas - <br /><br />Christ is baptized!<br /><br />You neglected to mention that Pope Francis also breathes, blinks and swallows like Pope Benedict XVI. Sounds like perfect continuity to me! <br /><br />And now, back to matters spiritual please. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2804187982301305472018-01-09T10:13:08.812-05:002018-01-09T10:13:08.812-05:00Henry,
Under prior Popes, the Cranmer table was s...Henry,<br /><br />Under prior Popes, the Cranmer table was set up in the Sistine Chapel for Mass.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57547562803700406152018-01-08T17:16:50.513-05:002018-01-08T17:16:50.513-05:00Henry,
Quite true, but it is certainly within hi...Henry, <br /><br />Quite true, but it is certainly within his power and temperament to alter such altars. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81288232691865153162018-01-08T15:01:26.976-05:002018-01-08T15:01:26.976-05:00Actually, Pope Francis merely celebrates Mass ad o...Actually, Pope Francis merely celebrates Mass ad orientem at (and only at) altars that do not admit versus populum celebration. Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12780755069760197497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51003301170766199682018-01-07T23:46:33.282-05:002018-01-07T23:46:33.282-05:00Anonymous said..."There is no way that Pope F...Anonymous said..."There is no way that Pope Francis is in continuity with a man like Pope Benedict."<br /><br />Pope Benedict XVI...<br /><br />-- Praised Martin Luther.<br /><br />-- Was a Green Pope. <br /><br />"The Green Pope isn't who you think it is."<br /><br />https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/the-green-pope-isnt-who-you-think-it-is-30552<br /><br />During the World Day of Peace celebration in 2010, Pope Benedict XVI chose the theme “If You Want to Cultivate Peace, Protect Creation.” “We are all responsible for the protection and care of the environment,” he said.<br /><br />-- Worshiped at Rome's Lutheran church.<br /><br />-- Prayed in a synagogue.<br /><br />-- Prayed in a mosque.<br /><br />-- Insisted that the Novus Ordo would remain as the Latin Church's primary Mass.<br /><br />-- Insisted upon allegiance to Vatican II.<br /><br />-- Unrelenting commitment to the Ecumenical Movement.<br /><br />-- Unrelenting commitment to interfaith dialogue.<br /><br />-- Accepted Communion in the hand.<br /><br />-- Accepted the presence of women within the Sanctuary.<br /><br />-- Approved Assisi III, which included a witch doctor who chanted a prayer to a strange god.<br /><br />-- Promoted liturgical inculturation.<br /><br />-- Promoted "liberal" Cardinals and bishops.<br /><br />-- Upheld Catholic Social and economic teachings as does Pope Francis.<br /><br />Rorate Caeli:<br /><br />https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/06/truth-be-told-pope-francis-more-often.html<br /><br />"Once again, the Traditional Catholic voice went unheeded. Very few indeed have been making the case, a case that is true, that the positions stated by Pope Francis on economic and social matters are much closer to the Traditional Catholic position on the economy and the State than not. <br /><br />"Indeed, it can be said unhesitatingly that this is one area in which the Pope will find mostly allies in Traditional Catholics."<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-605102281103900552018-01-07T19:31:32.922-05:002018-01-07T19:31:32.922-05:00Agree with Rood Screen - on this point, there is c...Agree with Rood Screen - on this point, there is continuity however, it would need to extend much beyond this to warrant the suggested balloon drop/back clap. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-28585623758734053682018-01-07T17:54:12.197-05:002018-01-07T17:54:12.197-05:00Anonymous,
Pope Francis is obviously adopting t...Anonymous, <br /><br />Pope Francis is obviously adopting the ad orientem posture for Mass on the same annual feast on which Pope Benedict adopted this posture. Therefore, on this point there is clearly continuity between the two pontiffs. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31966482940381588512018-01-07T15:56:38.377-05:002018-01-07T15:56:38.377-05:00Anonymous - Pope Francis did not--repeat NOT say t...Anonymous - Pope Francis did not--repeat NOT say that it's wrong for priests to celebrate Mass ad orientem. Plainly, it is not wrong, as it has been the Church's practice (in both East and West) from time immemorial. The pope merely said that Card. Sarah was speaking as an individual--not on behalf of the pope--as the cardinal had stated explicitly in his address. Specifically, in recommending then--as he still does to this day, that priests consider celebrating Mass ad orientem, he said that<br /><br />"Even though I serve as the Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, I do so in all humility as a priest and a bishop ... ."<br /><br />To repeat, Pope Francis has never said, then or otherwise, that priests should not consider it.<br /><br />Even so, you are correct in saying that Pope Francis is certainly not in continuity with the great and good Pope Benedict XVI. For the welfare of Church and Faith and the Papacy, would that he were.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12780755069760197497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42743959291012671962018-01-07T11:05:28.948-05:002018-01-07T11:05:28.948-05:00Are the liturgical “progressives” at PraySniff on ...Are the liturgical “progressives” at PraySniff on suicide watch? It really takes a lot of gall for a bishop to out Pope the Pope by forbidding a priest to celebrate Mass ad orientem in light of this example.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22583370130731649832018-01-07T11:01:29.333-05:002018-01-07T11:01:29.333-05:00“AHHHH ORIENTEM! ONCE AGAIN, POPE FRANCIS IN CONTI...“AHHHH ORIENTEM! ONCE AGAIN, POPE FRANCIS IN CONTINUITY WITH POPE BENEDICT......”<br /><br />How can you write that and expect to be taken seriously. When Cardinal Sarah mentioned that priests might want to begin celebrating Mass ad orientem it was Pope Francis who took the unprecedented action of correcting the Cardinal immediately and publicly stating that he was wrong. There is no way that Pope Francis is in continuity with a man like Pope Benedict. To continue to make such statements are I am sorry to say just absurd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com