tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post1230462018606315631..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: RALEIGH'S NEW CATHEDRAL IS HIGH CHRISTOLOGY! MILWAUKEE'S OLD CATHEDRAL, BASED UPON THE BASILICAN/ROMANESQUE HIGH CHRISTOLOGY STYLE WAS RENOVATED TO A LOW CHRISTOLOGY STYLE: WILL THERE BE A BEFORE AND AFTER HOLY NAME OF JESUS CATHEDRAL IN THE FUTURE, PRAY GOD NO! AND SOME OTHER MUSINGS ON TRIUMPHALISM IN CATHOLIC MODERN MUSICFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61304933410983905322017-07-31T19:24:44.599-04:002017-07-31T19:24:44.599-04:00Compared to some in it's peer group, this cath...Compared to some in it's peer group, this cathedral is a triumph. I can only imagine how stunning it will look as, over time, decoration of all types is added to finish this beautiful space. Kudos to Bishop Burbidge. As John points out, though atypical for a cathedral, the centrally reserved sacrament certainly sets an appropriate tone with appropriate permanence when compared to the renovations and flexible seating inflicted upon the cathedral in Milwaukee. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-5288314759818396412017-07-29T05:27:27.564-04:002017-07-29T05:27:27.564-04:00Not to mention the repetition of the response in t...Not to mention the repetition of the response in the Psalm, completely redundant when (as is usually the case) it isn't sung. I've even heard the reader announce: 'The Responsorial Psalm. The response is ...' <br /><br />There is some repetition in Chant, for example the antiphon at the Introit, and the Alleluia repeated after the verse; but nothing to rival one 'modern' version of the Sanctus where 'Hosanna in the highest' is repeated about twenty times, each repetition drawing ever more attention to the triteness of the music.<br /><br />I liked the interior of the Raleigh cathedral. Of course it's not finished - neither is Westminster Cathedral after well over a century. The free-standing altar is of good proportions and can be used in either orientation. The reservation of the Sacrament under a ciborium magnum at the apse end is not traditional for a cathedral, where it usually has its own chapel, but is nonetheless striking.<br /><br />The liturgy itself was mind-numbingly dull. Far too much talk, and the Mass itself, inexplicably, was not sung. There was a moment of comic relief when the altar was washed and dressed by an army of 'Mrs Mops' complete with 'pinnies'. Hardly PC!<br /><br />And the commentator seemed to think IHS is a Latin inscription. I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't have sat through four hours of this. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68582124371069373552017-07-28T17:06:25.945-04:002017-07-28T17:06:25.945-04:00Regarding noble simplicity and the triple Domine n...Regarding noble simplicity and the triple Domine non sum dingus in the EF---what about the repetitive refrain, "Glory to God", in at least one of the English sung versions of the Gloria?Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1677487639491548842017-07-28T07:03:26.585-04:002017-07-28T07:03:26.585-04:00Southern - Good to know the work on the interior c...Southern - Good to know the work on the interior continues! (I hope they don't go overboard.)Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61553333037384267262017-07-27T15:42:16.658-04:002017-07-27T15:42:16.658-04:00I live in Raleigh and I was at the Cathedral for t...I live in Raleigh and I was at the Cathedral for the dedication yesterday. I thought the music was beautiful and heard many comments from others who also liked the music. Yes the interior of the cathedral is rather plain but it is not finished. I read somewhere in one of the many articles published recently that work on the interior will continue for two more years. Also, about half of the windows are stained glass removed from a church in Philadelphia that was closed. The other half of the windows will be replaced with stained glass as funds are donated. The cathedral is currently paid for in full with no outstanding debt.Southern Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16370116466722393804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49757295895952887662017-07-27T14:19:22.080-04:002017-07-27T14:19:22.080-04:00"An EF low Mass is noble simplicity if there ..."An EF low Mass is noble simplicity if there ever was one, Pontical EFSolemn Mass not so much!"<br /><br />Neither exhibits noble simplicity in the sense intended by the framers of SC. Both have the same redundancies like the triple Non sum dignus, multiple genuflections, altar kisses, and signs of the cross. <br /><br />I doubt that a goal of simplifying the solemn pontifical Mass per se was mentioned in the discussions of the conciliar commission that prepared SC; it' not apparent in the minutes of their 50+ meetings.Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-44232198508230453422017-07-27T13:03:51.140-04:002017-07-27T13:03:51.140-04:00Stained, not stain.Stained, not stain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82594513217152147482017-07-27T12:53:59.125-04:002017-07-27T12:53:59.125-04:00An EF low Mass is noble simplicity if there ever w...An EF low Mass is noble simplicity if there ever was one, Pontical EFSolemn Mass not so much!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78548751432490212322017-07-27T12:49:36.260-04:002017-07-27T12:49:36.260-04:00I would think over time flourishes would be added ...I would think over time flourishes would be added as ar the Shrine of the IC in Washington. W<br />Stain glass I would think would be in the future although not technically a feature of pure Romanesque but I do like the starkness within magnificence.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42408881297091630912017-07-27T12:15:02.340-04:002017-07-27T12:15:02.340-04:00I watched bits of the Raleigh cathedral dedication...I watched bits of the Raleigh cathedral dedication ceremony as it was livestreamed. A college classmate is a priest of that diocese - I caught a glimpse of him during the broadcast! I have family that I visit there, so I should be able to see it in person before too long.<br /><br />I was surprised to see how monochrome the interior is. I like the use of marble, but found it, in a sense, bland. I would have chosen to use some gentle colors in the arches and cornices, not just to break up the white on white on white walls, but to add some "depth" to the interior. Some gold along the cornices of the stark white walls would have been my choice.<br /><br />It's wider than I had imagined from seeing only images of the exterior. Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13096656487324108222017-07-27T12:13:19.044-04:002017-07-27T12:13:19.044-04:00"Vatican II's document on the Liturgy, Sa..."Vatican II's document on the Liturgy, Sacrosanctum Concilium, asked for noble simplicity in the Liturgy, which I believe to this day, referred to the pontifical Solemn High Mass with deacon, subdeacon and very, very complicated rubrics and choreography, not your typical parish Low Mass or High Mass."<br /><br />I think you're wrong about this. "Noble simplicity" had the sound of a noble sentiment to which no one could object, unspecific as it was. But was planted like a time bomb so that it later could be--and was--used to justify ruthless pruning in the name of the simplicity that the principal framers of SC had intended even before Vatican II convened. This seems clear from a reading of the proceedings of the preparatory commission.Henrynoreply@blogger.com