tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post964746457904365276..comments2024-03-28T09:14:32.869-04:00Comments on southern orders: WHEN LEGITMATE RENEWAL TURNS INTO DISASTEROUS DISINTEGRATIONFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84125025158830323582013-08-28T19:09:15.365-04:002013-08-28T19:09:15.365-04:00Marc,
Some of the features that you described ...Marc,<br /> Some of the features that you described in that Mass are still happening in the Diocese of Savannah. An even more sad note is that there are still laypeople who think that Vatican II has not been implemented in their parish unless things such as you described are happening.<br /><br /> How do you counter the promotion of such practices when very few people are knowledgeable about the EF and about "reform of the reform" in the OF and Sacred Music? The very thought of too much continual exposure to such things really gives me a sick-hearted, hopeless feeling and makes me wish that my 13 year old child was already Confirmed so I could just "opt out" and resign to driving two hours each way every Sunday to the EF in either Savannah or Jacksonville (and give them my collection money as well . . ).Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-76542415646235276572013-08-28T18:55:00.687-04:002013-08-28T18:55:00.687-04:00rcg, it isn't my diocese, so I don't reall...rcg, it isn't my diocese, so I don't really see it as my fight. Considering every parish has these aberrations, I assume the bishop has explicitly or implicitly approved of it. <br /><br />Attendance is high at all three parishes to which I've gone. But, I am unsure of the effect the high tourist numbers might be having on the numbers I've witnessed. <br /><br />I know at the main parish I described, the priest appears to be much loved for his efforts during Katrina, which is laudable. So I'd have a fight on my hands confronting him!<br /><br />Again, it's not my fight. I meet my obligation and go about my business.Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86547444141546271762013-08-28T17:34:00.245-04:002013-08-28T17:34:00.245-04:00Marc, what does the bishop know of that situation?...Marc, what does the bishop know of that situation? What is attendance like? Finally, have you thought of standing in the middle of that travesty and calling the preist out? What could they do but kick you out? rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25630379086647572742013-08-28T15:12:29.269-04:002013-08-28T15:12:29.269-04:00I agree with Mr. Broun and had the same reaction w...I agree with Mr. Broun and had the same reaction when I received my copy. There was a mention on the front page about a month or so ago regarding summer camps with a photo of one of the Sisters of Mary from Ann Arbor, MI. I donate to them regularly and mailed them a copy. I would love for them to be invited into the Diocese of Savannah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89400464886721606562013-08-28T14:54:04.066-04:002013-08-28T14:54:04.066-04:00Yes, that terrible Mass that we all must fight aga...Yes, that terrible Mass that we all must fight against or else we are Pelagians! <br /><br />It seriously puts my faith in jeopardy to have to go to these sites masquerading as Masses. Someone should maybe look into fixing this situation. I think my parents would probably convert based on their experiences with us at St. Joseph, but this sort of thing keeps people away. There are real consequences to these shenanigans...<br /><br />Sidenote - There was a brave priest saying the Traditional Mass in a very rural part of the diocese, but not anymore. I don't think that lasted very long unfortunately. Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62881907439467788412013-08-28T14:38:29.656-04:002013-08-28T14:38:29.656-04:00Well, at least he's not celebrating the EF Mas...Well, at least he's not celebrating the EF Mass!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-15117422639040433032013-08-28T14:22:39.130-04:002013-08-28T14:22:39.130-04:00It's really terrible there, Father.
As an exa...It's really terrible there, Father.<br /><br />As an example, during what purported to be the Offertory, the priest had all the children return from "Children's Church", come to his presider's chair, and hug him. <br /><br />Then, the teenagers held hands with him around what purported to be the altar during the Eucharistic Prayer.<br /><br />This is in addition to the usual suspects: stole outside the chasuble, shaking hands during the precession, Father's stand-up comedy bit as an introduction...<br /><br />I did like how he had some woman get up at a microphone to introduce him like a rock star just before his entrance: "Ladies and Gentlemen! Today's celebrant is...!"<br /><br />The second parish to which I went was only marginally better. The priest did a pretty long improvisational Eucharistic Prayer, left out some words...<br /><br />A few years back, in a completely different part of that diocese near a university, we prayed for the Gay-Straight Alliance.Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83299321178196765562013-08-28T14:08:46.087-04:002013-08-28T14:08:46.087-04:00Marc, don't mince your words, say what you rea...Marc, don't mince your words, say what you really think!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50534522845621418062013-08-28T14:00:07.986-04:002013-08-28T14:00:07.986-04:00Go to the Diocese of Biloxi Mississippi. The silli...Go to the Diocese of Biloxi Mississippi. The silliness from the left definitely took over there... I am dreading this Sunday's visit to that cesspool of error and abuse. Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6253866494167590042013-08-28T13:33:49.633-04:002013-08-28T13:33:49.633-04:00ytc - I share your experience of the Church in the...ytc - I share your experience of the Church in the South. We are very middle-of-the-road when it comes to Catholicism.<br /><br />It wasn't until I got to seminary (3 miles south of the Mason-Dixon Line, thanks be to God) that I started hearing about liturgical silliness from the Left and reactionary Right Wing groups.<br /><br />Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21281771688004541162013-08-28T12:17:33.942-04:002013-08-28T12:17:33.942-04:00Most Southern dioceses in my experience are quite ...Most Southern dioceses in my experience are quite orthodox, especially when compared with their west coast and New England counterparts. For some reason, dioceses in Georgia and Florida tend to be the exceptions to that rule.ytcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-47099553075382867682013-08-28T12:14:44.415-04:002013-08-28T12:14:44.415-04:00This is sort of like the National Organization for...This is sort of like the National Organization for Women (NOW) and Concerned Women for America. Concerned Women for America has at least as many members as NOW, and probably more. But if you watch any "mainstream" media outlet, they only report about NOW and their pro-abort at all costs agenda, as if Concerned Women for America didn't exist. The established "mainstream" Catholic diocesan media seems stuck in a similar vein. This probably isn't going to change until the biological solution is completed.Martha Whitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36671162653057996282013-08-28T11:41:51.996-04:002013-08-28T11:41:51.996-04:00In Tennessee we hear more about the younger vigoro...In Tennessee we hear more about the younger vigorous orders like the Nashville Dominicans and a couple of other rather quite orthodox orders that have recently entered our diocese. Sounds like you're lagging behind the times in Georgia, at least regarding women religious? (Of course, we're behind in our own ways.)Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61921517380334238552013-08-28T10:29:42.134-04:002013-08-28T10:29:42.134-04:00When I see stories like that in diocesan newspaper...When I see stories like that in diocesan newspapers, I feel like someone in the editorial department is sending us a message:<br /><br />THIS IS WHAT NUNS ARE. PERIOD.<br /><br />YOU WILL ACCEPT IT.<br /><br />THE DEBATE IS OVER.<br /><br />Sounds kind of desperate to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83547512167218421962013-08-28T09:58:11.332-04:002013-08-28T09:58:11.332-04:00Well, I posted a couple of weeks ago a quote from ...Well, I posted a couple of weeks ago a quote from one of the Sisters who spoke: "There is no cosmos without God and no God without cosmos. " And this gem, "...God is future...we give birth to God." <br />Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71084563578900247392013-08-28T07:21:55.012-04:002013-08-28T07:21:55.012-04:00How Ironic that you run this story today as I just...How Ironic that you run this story today as I just received my copy of The Southern Cross last night with a lead story provided by Catholic News Service about the LCWR Assembly in Kissimmee Florida. It features a photo of a woman with tightly cropped hair in lay clothes raising her hand with a troubled expression on her face, and she is identified as a "Franciscan Sister."<br /><br />The story simply regurgitates some polite remarks made by the Vatican Nuncio, who was in attendance and by bishop Sartain, the Vatican-appointed overseer of the LCWR. It also quotes her remarks, which concerned "Larger questions such as the ongoing implementation of the Second Vatican Council."<br /><br />It wasn't really news. All it did was add to the ongoing liberal nun fatigue so many of us are stuck in. No one seems to get it: These "sisters" are on the fast-track to extinction while younger orders embracing tradition and fidelity to the Church are multiplying and attracting lots of young vocations. Do we hear about THEM in our diocesan newspapers? Why not?<br /><br />Just look at any photos of the "Vatican II Nuns" and you see lay-clad embattled women still living out their sixties fantasies. Look at the new, younger nuns and you will see serene, joyous faces happy to serve the Church, instead of trying to usurp it. They attract us. These other sisters continue to be a vocations repellant.<br /><br />Not trying to be rude. It's just the way it is. I wish our diocesan papers would quit trying to sell us a product that no one wants to buy any longer.Heywood Brounnoreply@blogger.com