tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post943262084345655889..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: EVEN AS A 13 YEAR OLD, I BEGAN TO REALIZE THAT VATICAN II AS NOT SIMPLIFYING THE MASS BUT DUMBING IT DOWN! Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10445073280515961022017-10-26T16:11:01.390-04:002017-10-26T16:11:01.390-04:00Dear Father McDonald,
Our organist has replied to ...Dear Father McDonald,<br />Our organist has replied to my concern about liturgical abuse in the way we now say the Our Father at mass. He says it is not. You can read his reply in our parish bulletin, page 3, at <a href="http://bulletins.discovermass.com/download.php?bulletin=F6Nz%2BVI%2B2sTgl21XTmM%2Fnz%2FzfQywBkn6brh9Q8WxaR0cn6Avjbrn78%2BbzRNXKcLMkhdSveGdJsGY4ySF3W%2B0bA%3D%3D" rel="nofollow">http://bulletins.discovermass.com/download.php?bulletin=F6Nz%2BVI%2B2sTgl21XTmM%2Fnz%2FzfQywBkn6brh9Q8WxaR0cn6Avjbrn78%2BbzRNXKcLMkhdSveGdJsGY4ySF3W%2B0bA%3D%3D</a>Grace.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53269976741221833772017-10-17T15:11:50.023-04:002017-10-17T15:11:50.023-04:00John Nolan,
It's also sad that a priest is sn...John Nolan,<br /><br />It's also sad that a priest is sneakyTJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39377796236480591132017-10-16T14:56:41.027-04:002017-10-16T14:56:41.027-04:00Anonymous @ 11:14 is surely Kavanaugh; it has his ...Anonymous @ 11:14 is surely Kavanaugh; it has his fingerprints all over it. Sad, since I wanted to believe that despite his erroneous views he possessed a modicum of intellectual honesty.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57369413534874170682017-10-16T10:44:57.747-04:002017-10-16T10:44:57.747-04:00I was about 9 or 10 years old when we transitioned...I was about 9 or 10 years old when we transitioned to the Novus Ordo. I was too young and not eloquent enough to put it into words at the time, but the bottom line is that I resented it. I knew that the Mass was being "dumbed down" and the invasion of guitars and sappy songs only made my resentment intensify. There is nothing a young person resents as much as adults treating them with condescension and the New Mass reeked of it. <br /><br />Still does.Robert Kumpelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-77879768185002473192017-10-16T09:14:37.700-04:002017-10-16T09:14:37.700-04:00"I've long been convinced that people lik..."I've long been convinced that people like Anonymous @ 11:14 am resent gestures of reverence so much because they don't themselves feel reverent, and therefore don't want anyone else to either."<br /><br />Which is not an answer/response to the questions/issues raised.<br /><br />Typical. And sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-26985942068832710532017-10-15T17:09:18.641-04:002017-10-15T17:09:18.641-04:00Henry,
Judas, too, objected to what appeared to h...Henry,<br /><br />Judas, too, objected to what appeared to him to be excessive displays of reverence. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-72882433871507351162017-10-15T16:34:51.672-04:002017-10-15T16:34:51.672-04:00We had a Pontifical High Mass today with Bp. Tissi...We had a Pontifical High Mass today with Bp. Tissier. It’s hard to imagine the sort of person who acted to take away this rite from the Church and harder still to imagine how the people let them get away with it. Thankfully, they weren’t able to take it completely due, in large part, to men like Bp. Tissier himself. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54407429129170861052017-10-15T15:44:49.588-04:002017-10-15T15:44:49.588-04:00I've long been convinced that people like Anon...I've long been convinced that people like Anonymous @ 11:14 am resent gestures of reverence so much because they don't themselves feel reverent, and therefore don't want anyone else to either.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12780755069760197497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41818050616505783202017-10-15T15:10:12.130-04:002017-10-15T15:10:12.130-04:00Bee here:
In the article it says, "We may al...Bee here:<br /><br />In the article it says, "We may also note that commemorations, a feature against which the reformers had a particular and wholly inexplicable animus, are now basically gone,.." <br /><br />I was only about 8 or 9 when the changes occurred, so I don't know. Can someone tell me what a "commemoration" is? What is the author referring to?<br /><br />God Bless.<br />BeeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-35023138821794124192017-10-15T13:26:15.522-04:002017-10-15T13:26:15.522-04:00Thank you, Father. I am sure the organist may be u...Thank you, Father. I am sure the organist may be unaware it is an abuse, so I emailed my concern and the link to this blog post to both him and our incoming pastor (our current pastor will be leaving for a new assignment in a few weeks). Hopefully this liturgical abuse will be corrected by next weekend, so there will be no need to bring it to the attention of the Archbishop.Grace.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84814400997872417532017-10-15T11:32:08.865-04:002017-10-15T11:32:08.865-04:00I love the photograph, British (or possibly Canadi...I love the photograph, British (or possibly Canadian) soldiers - the censor has obscured their shoulder-flashes - in battledress, sometime after D-Day, I suspect.<br /><br />No church, no altar; but the priest dressed properly for his liturgical role - his battledress.<br /><br />One of the servers is an officer, the other a private soldier - both equal in their liturgical roles, which are subordinate to that of the priest; both on their knees in recognition of their equality of service and adoration.<br /><br />As for 1967, I remember it well, as I was 16 at the time. On my first visit to Germany in that year I was offered Communion in the hand; I received it in that way for the first and only time in my life, naively thinking it was a local custom.<br /><br />In the same year I gave up serving on the altar, after eight years (I served my first Mass in 1959). The Mass which had fascinated me since early childhood no longer existed. My role as a server was redundant.<br /><br />Although I didn't know it at the time, this was the year when Gelineau, a crony of Bugnini, boasted that the Roman Rite had been destroyed. Sixteen-year-old boys are more interested in girls than liturgy. Also in my case there was the imperative of getting into university.<br /><br />Once there, I didn't need much convincing of the truth proclaimed by the Catholic Church. It was intellectually compelling. Yet there was an obvious disjunct between that and what passed for liturgy in the early 1970s, when everyone over the age of twenty had been brought up with a rite that had changed little in a thousand years, but had been changed out of all recognition in half a decade.<br /><br />Thank God, I was able to work through it, and am still doing so. But it has taken a lifetime of effort. Perhaps God wants us to make the effort? All the same, I feel singularly unlucky that I was born at a time when the Catholic Church, that bastion of Western civilization, decided to embark on a path of self-destruction.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1186316735383577392017-10-15T11:14:32.125-04:002017-10-15T11:14:32.125-04:00"Repetition is reverence." If one sign ..."Repetition is reverence." If one sign of the cross over the elements of bread and wine is a good thing, multiple signs of the cross over the elements is more reverent.<br /><br />Is this true? And please don't say, "We did it for centuries that way; therefore, it must be more reverent."<br /><br />"...the faithful who were made nervous by the seemingly endless barrage of changes to that which was always held to be unchangeable “... were told that the Canon, that most untranslatable prayer, would never be in the vernacular because it is too steeped in meaning."<br /><br />Who told the faithful this? Was it true, or is it an example of a "Because I said so!" non-answer to the question, "Can the Canon be translated?"?<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52519351555435652062017-10-15T10:13:27.102-04:002017-10-15T10:13:27.102-04:00Number 42 of the 2002 GIRM says the gestures of th...Number 42 of the 2002 GIRM says the gestures of the priest (etc.) should be guided not only by the post-VCII rubrics, but also by the "traditional practice of the Roman Rite". What, exactly, does this dual guidance permit? Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-47173643165029150572017-10-15T04:36:04.593-04:002017-10-15T04:36:04.593-04:00It is an abuse. The pastor, I hope, did not reques...It is an abuse. The pastor, I hope, did not request the organist to do it. The pastor should correct the situation.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20247287067969983662017-10-14T21:53:46.358-04:002017-10-14T21:53:46.358-04:00It is stunning how quickly people moved to change ...It is stunning how quickly people moved to change the Mass, from putting in the table-altars to bringing in the folk music to dismantling the altar rails. I remember the sisters telling the class how the old churches didn't meet the requirements of people today (late 1960"s). It was as much a revolution as anything else of that time period, and I could only think that the Church was supposed to be a rock. It should have been something stable during a very unstable time period. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23751581091516934362017-10-14T21:15:32.066-04:002017-10-14T21:15:32.066-04:00Dear Father McDonald,
My parish recently got a ne...Dear Father McDonald,<br /><br />My parish recently got a new organist. For the most part, he is an improvement over our previous pianist. Although we have a pipe organ, our previous guy played the piano 90% of the time. Our new organist actually plays the pipe organ about 70% of the time. But there is one thing that bothers me, and I hope you can tell me if this is liturgical abuse or not. When we pray the Our Father at Mass, the new organist has us sing it with the protestant part tacked on directly after the Our Father, where before the celebrant would speak in between the Our Father and the protestant part. Is this is an abuse? Thank you.Grace.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2609317333247809692017-10-14T19:31:15.416-04:002017-10-14T19:31:15.416-04:00In order to get "active participation" i...In order to get "active participation" in the liturgy of even the dumbest of laity, you had to dumb down the liturgy. This was also true of the music.Victornoreply@blogger.com