tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post9110917587770531119..comments2024-03-28T11:04:41.070-04:00Comments on southern orders: WHILE IN ROME THERE IS A CONFERENCE MOVING THE CHURCH FORWARD ON LITURGY AND THE NEW EVANGELIZATION THROUGH IT, HERE IN THE UNITED STATES THERE IS A PRIESTS' CONFERENCE FOCUSING ON FAILED INITIATIVES AND THE SAME OLD, SAME OLD, STUCK IN THE PAST, UNABLE TO MOVE FORWARD!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56333743901268075742013-06-28T13:37:04.993-04:002013-06-28T13:37:04.993-04:00"no more likely than permission to use an act...<b>"no more likely than permission to use an actual unrevised 1570 Missale"</b><br /><br />Actually, I doubt that any special permission is needed to use an actual 1570 missal in a TLM today, apart from those feasts that have been added since then (and a few spot changes such as during Holy Week). I understand that the altar missal used for the epochal solemn high Mass televised by EWTN and celebrated by the FSSP on the inaugural date 9/14/2007 of Summorum Pontificum was an actual circa 1570 antique missal. For the Mass of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross that day, not a single Latin word had been changed other than the 1961 addition of St. Joseph to the Roman canon.Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48589523182527254682013-06-28T10:44:58.327-04:002013-06-28T10:44:58.327-04:00"The biggest difference is that the SSPX had ..."The biggest difference is that the SSPX had an Archbishop who actually attended Vatican II and ordained bishops". I would disagree. The biggest difference is that the SSPX is orthodox and the rag-tag-and-bobtail liberal groups are heterodox. The scandal is that under Paul VI the liberals were given free reign and the orthodox were persecuted. Paul realized too late the damage he had done which accounts for the torpor of his last ten years, punctuated with a few feeble attempts at damage-limitation.<br /><br />Hans Kung was able to boast that the liberals were in control, just as Fr Gelineau SJ boasted as early as 1967 that he and his cronies had destroyed the Roman Rite. Plenty of people knew what was going on and were appalled, but lacked the will to stand up and be counted (and this includes men like Cardinal Siri). The exception, the St John Fisher of his day, was Marcel Lefebvre. It is hardly surprising that when he died senior figures including the Nuncio to Switzerland came to pray at his tomb. Cardinal Silvio Oddi, former Prefect of the Congregation for Clergy, arrived at Econe with little advance notice, and after praying at the late Archbishop's tomb, said in a voice audible to all those present "Merci, Monseigneur".<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-66496372051247754732013-06-28T04:56:30.427-04:002013-06-28T04:56:30.427-04:00The liberal groups are ragged tagged and all over ...The liberal groups are ragged tagged and all over the place as are some ultra traditional ones. The biggest difference is that the SSPX had an Archbishop who actually attended Vatican II and then ordained bishops. I don't know of any liberal groups that had/have a high profile bishop leading them and ordaining bishops. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37123548284896899792013-06-27T21:51:49.159-04:002013-06-27T21:51:49.159-04:00So now they want an indult, I suppose, to use the ...So now they want an indult, I suppose, to use the 1974 Sacramentary? We already have the Ordinary Form (the more literally translated version of the 1974 Sacramentary) and the Extraordinary Form (1962 Missale Romanum). <br /><br />If they get what they want (which is no more likely than permission to use an actual unrevised 1570 Missale) what will the Church call it?Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52026999574952259572013-06-27T21:00:27.562-04:002013-06-27T21:00:27.562-04:00Carol H. - Don't mistake acronymned committees...Carol H. - Don't mistake acronymned committees for organization. Plenty of folks like to organize themselves into an alphabet soup of bodies with fancy letterhead and eloquent spokespeople, but it doesn't mean they're organized. Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4025715699757940662013-06-27T18:46:34.776-04:002013-06-27T18:46:34.776-04:00Father,
I thought you said last week that the lib...Father,<br /><br />I thought you said last week that the liberal left was unorganized. Doesn't this prove that they are more dangerous to Holy Mother Church than initially thought?Carol H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02475843499648488542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49105991669918441312013-06-27T17:58:26.489-04:002013-06-27T17:58:26.489-04:00Unfortunately Marco, I'm one of those aging pr...Unfortunately Marco, I'm one of those aging priests so I can get away with it! :)Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-26169396184267210382013-06-27T17:46:42.376-04:002013-06-27T17:46:42.376-04:00horrible lists, especially the ones that past. Sad...horrible lists, especially the ones that past. Sad days ahead for the Church in America where it seems the clergy have their heads in the sandSupertradmumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829935047036023159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69459150346560753752013-06-27T16:28:45.371-04:002013-06-27T16:28:45.371-04:00See now, Father, you've mentioned the unmentio...See now, Father, you've mentioned the unmentionable - when you say they're old, you're agist. Or anti-opinion. Or something like that. Make the same comment over at PrayTell and the rabid pack will illustrate.Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51896381499731917782013-06-27T16:28:03.302-04:002013-06-27T16:28:03.302-04:00The only one I could possibly agree with is, "...The only one I could possibly agree with is, "promoting sufficient time for presbyterate to determine its own interim leader when a bishop reaches age of resignation/retirement". It is just crazy how long it takes for the Vatican to find replacement bishops. I would add "transfer" to it, however, because the Vatican often transfers bishops away from smaller dioceses without appointing a replacement for a year or two. If they can't get the job done in a timely manner, then let priests elect the administrator! <br />Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.com