tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post9085521694028507810..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: FULL TEXT OF YET AGAIN PAPAL INTERVIEW WITH SOME HARDBALL QUESTIONS AND GOOD ANSWERSFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61305074904408242782016-04-22T14:06:31.940-04:002016-04-22T14:06:31.940-04:00Jan:
On “the woman who made out she was set upon ...Jan:<br /><br />On “the woman who made out she was set upon because she was wearing a veil,” you did not provided a link so I googled it. I did not find that story but I did find this one, in the Daily Mail:<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3225020/Shocking-moment-hijab-wearing-woman-attacked-knocked-floor-unconscious-police-reveal-huge-rise-hate-crimes-against-Muslims.html<br /><br />Not much “making out” there I think.<br /><br />Regarding Christian refugees, the very NCR article you cite helps to explain the reasons. It is not because of discrimination against Christians in favor of Muslims. Here is another article along the same lines:<br /><br />http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/19/syrias-christian-refugees-four-wrong-assumptions/?_r=0<br /><br />But perhaps anti-Christian discrimination isn’t your point. If not, perhaps you can explain just what exactly your point is. Is it that we should not be using the UNHCR system and pipeline for processing refugee applications?<br /><br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63427847210176747852016-04-20T23:09:17.928-04:002016-04-20T23:09:17.928-04:00I wonder how many in the US know of the statistics...I wonder how many in the US know of the statistics of Christian refugees brought to the US? It is very low. CNS reported in November last year:<br /><br />"So Far: Syrian Refugees in US include 2,098 Muslims, 53 Christians" - so 53 Christians since 2011. I think these figures should galvanise Christians in the US to press for an increase in acceptance of Christian refugees. It can be done as can be seen from the article in the National Catholic Reporter last year about the plight of Christian refugees and what some Americans have done privately to help them. <br /><br />"No Room at the Inn: Why Few Syrian Christian Refugees Come to US (5856)<br />Since 2011, only 2% of Syrian refugees have been Christians, even though they comprise 10% of Syria’s pre-civil war population and are subject to harsh persecution by Islamist militants.<br /><br />WASHINGTON — Only weeks before Christmas, 153 Iraqi Christians will be welcomed to their new home in Slovakia, courtesy of an unlikely team of Americans moved by their plight.<br /><br />Nina Shea, an expert on religious-freedom issues at Washington’s Hudson Institute, hopes to be on hand to meet the Iraqis as they deplane from their chartered flight.<br /><br />“Seed money for this came from Hollywood producer Mark Burnett. The resettlement was funded by contributions to Glenn Beck’s Mercury One Nazarene Fund,” Shea told the Register.<br /><br />Shea further noted that Rev. Johnnie Moore, the author of Defying ISIS: Preserving Christianity in the Place of Its Birth, and Joseph Assad, a security expert — both under contract to the Hudson Institute — helped arrange the airlift.<br /><br />The unlikely group of collaborators might raise some eyebrows, but this private effort marks their growing frustration with the limited options available to Christians who have fled their homes because of wartime violence and religious persecution in the Middle East and now seek to find safe haven in the West.<br /><br />The particular group of Iraqis assisted by Shea are internally displaced persons (IDP) -- those who have not left their country, and so have no legal recourse for resettlement in a foreign land. Hundreds of thousands are thus in limbo, surviving day to day with the help of relatives, fellow believers and church-affiliated charities.<br /><br />"These now essentially stateless Christians are very needy-- and all but forgotten," Shea explained.<br /><br />"The United National High Command for Refugees doesn't resettle them and they're not part of European Union quotas. But any country can admit anyone they wish," and she hopes that more countries and private groups will work together to replicate her initiative. <br /><br />Meanwhile, many hundreds of thousands of Syrian Christians who have been forced out of their country also face a bleak, uncertain future.<br /><br /> A scant 53 Syrian Christians have been admitted to the U.S. for resettlement since the civil war began in 2011, according to the Refugee Processing Center. That number represents just over 2% of the total number of Syrians accepted, 2,184, though Christians accounted for 10% of Syria’s population before the war broke out.<br /><br />“Syrian Christians want to come to the U.S. But there is no expedited status for them,” Maronite Bishop Gregory Mansour of the Eparchy of St. Maron in Brooklyn told the Register.<br /><br />In late November, the State Department’s Refugee Processing Center released data on the 132 Syrian refugees that have arrived in the U.S. since the Paris terror attacks, and all were Sunni Muslims. Not one was a religious minority.<br /><br />Yet Syria’s brutal civil war has been accompanied by the rise of the Islamic State and its campaign to cleanse the region of vulnerable religious minorities, who have faced beheadings, rapes and exile from their ancestral communities."<br /><br />Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/no-room-at-the-inn-why-few-syrian-christian-refugees-come-to-us/#ixzz46QUk9kFlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30433430288869025602016-04-20T11:14:26.318-04:002016-04-20T11:14:26.318-04:00Mark, Christians don't have to be on the plane...Mark, Christians don't have to be on the plane with the Pope. What is to stop him bringing Christian families or Yadzis to Rome now? The Pope is supposed to be the good shepherd who looks after his flock. People look up to the Pope. If the Pope doesn't look after his own, who will? I know that of all the Syrian refugees brought to my country recently - I understand they were all Muslim - not a Christian among them. The Pope needs to stand up for the Christians in a concrete way otherwise the rest of the world will leave them to rot ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2633207490035829482016-04-20T10:40:58.499-04:002016-04-20T10:40:58.499-04:00Father, it is fellow Catholics and protestants, Ch...Father, it is fellow Catholics and protestants, Christians, who are also saying the actions of the Pope were disgraceful and also it is being discussed on social media. I agree with them. I don't think that disagreeing with the actions of a Pope is demeaning the papacy or showing contempt for the Pope. I think as Catholics we are entitled to expect that the Pope will treat everyone fairly. And this is not something new. The Pope has been approached on numerous occasions and his assistance requested to help Christians in Syria. You see the photo there of him with the Yadzis at the refugee centre that he plucked the Muslims from, imploring him to help. But he did nothing. Sorry, but I sincerely believe, with righteous indignation, that this was wrong and cannot be defended. It cannot be in any way compared to Our Lord's parable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-28071551531799384242016-04-20T09:43:02.018-04:002016-04-20T09:43:02.018-04:00Jan, time and again, and far more than any world l...Jan, time and again, and far more than any world leader, His Holiness Pope Francis has highlighted the genocide that Islamic terrorists and, for that matter, the "world" has inflicted upon Christians.<br /><br />But time and again, within, for example, the Traditionalist blogosphere, Pope Francis' comments in question have been ignored. Instead, all day long, stories are concocted about Pope Francis being a "heretic", "evil"...he plots supposedly to "trick and trap" the SSPX...bizarre nonsense.<br /><br />On the world stage, Pope Francis has been ignored time and again in his numerous attempts to call attention to the genocide and persecutions that are ongoing against Christians.<br /><br />Unlike countless world leaders, Pope Francis has not hesitated to have used the word "genocide" in relation to the persecution of Christians.<br /><br />Finally, Pope Francis explained in plausible fashion that three Christian families had been selected to return with him to Rome. Unfortunately, the paperwork of each family was not in order. If you wish to see that as a lie...well, I don't...but you do. Sorry, we disagree about that.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73293879230693614332016-04-20T07:03:46.555-04:002016-04-20T07:03:46.555-04:00Jan you are walking on thin ice here. You might as...Jan you are walking on thin ice here. You might as well say our Lord is a disgrace for telling the parable of the farmer owner giving as much to the worker who only did one hour of work as he gave to those who did the whole day. <br /><br />I won't put up with contempt to the person of the pope or the papacy in general as the first is a mortal sin against charity and the other an act of schism. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60265122704266487142016-04-20T06:08:27.940-04:002016-04-20T06:08:27.940-04:00They say a picture paints a thousand words:
http...They say a picture paints a thousand words:<br /><br /><br />http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/16/article-urn:publicid:ap.org:7b56947ebc114dba8769aafa483dca6a-2NxE52hGF58066a471634f8e48ab-639_634x421.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-26578201851478625932016-04-20T05:36:09.073-04:002016-04-20T05:36:09.073-04:00Anonymous 2 there is simply too much evidence of M...Anonymous 2 there is simply too much evidence of Muslim crime - including the woman who made out she was set upon because she was wearing a veil - on the internet now for you to gloss over. Even converts from Muslim are speaking out against Islam. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25471627584007560212016-04-20T05:34:01.485-04:002016-04-20T05:34:01.485-04:00I am sorry, Mark, as other Christians are saying, ...I am sorry, Mark, as other Christians are saying, I think that what Pope Francis did was a disgrace. He had a chance to highlight the plight of Yazdis and Christians but did nothing. <br /><br />I am sorry but I simply don't believe the pat story that there were no Christians or Yazdis in the camp who didn't have papers ready, although happily for them the three Muslim families did. It simply beggars belief ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-11779450917437783642016-04-19T12:57:56.508-04:002016-04-19T12:57:56.508-04:00Jan said..."There is much more to come and in...Jan said..."There is much more to come and in the end even apologists like Mark Thomas will eventually realise how naive they were ... or reluctant as we all have been in the past to face up to the reality ... unfortunately, it is as it is."<br /><br />Jan, I know very well that a revolution within the Church has been in progress for decades. Beginning in major fashion with Pope Venerable Pius XII, our Popes have "razed the bastions" of the Church that had been in place from the time of the Protestant Revolution.<br /><br />That doesn't mean that the Churchmen who instituted and have supported the revolution within the Church are unholy. They were/are, I believe, holy men. It is simply that they believe that the Church's "fortress mentality" is obsolete.<br /><br />The massive loss of life during World War II also influenced greatly the thinking of the Churchmen in question. That war spurred them to adopt a new sense of "communion" (solidarity) with non-Catholics.<br /><br />Jan, I don't have any illusions as to what goes on within Rome and the Church. That said, I don't see the need to believe that every thing...every single thing that Pope Francis says/does is nefarious.<br /><br />In regard to the Lesbos "controversy", the explanation that Pope Francis offered is rational. The Holy See didn't have weeks and months to coordinate the movement of refugee families from Lesbos to Rome.<br /><br />Pope Francis said that the plan was to bring three Christian families to Rome. Rome went by the book in following the laws of governments. The three Christian families did not have their paperwork in order. That is that. <br /><br />I don't have any reason to doubt the Pope's explanation. We are dealing with bureaucrats, immigration laws...we're also dealing with the Vatican. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?<br /><br />Come on...the Vatican has fallen to the point where they are unable to produce and present without controversy an Apostolic Exhortation on the family. You think that the Vatican can deal smoothly with the handling of refugees?<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark Thomas<br />Mark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3284378864441922232016-04-19T12:32:26.385-04:002016-04-19T12:32:26.385-04:00Jan:
So now you accuse the Holy Father of lying? ...Jan:<br /><br />So now you accuse the Holy Father of lying? You speak of being gullible and naïve. I wish you would bring the same skepticism to some of the mendacious and manipulative videos to which you have posted links on this Blog during the past year – from global warming to Muslim refugees arriving in Europe (admittedly, not all of the videos fell into this category, and some of your posts on these topics have been genuinely informative). I agree we have not reached rock bottom yet but we take another dive with your post today. Sorry, but that is how I feel about it.<br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46768727732304221782016-04-19T05:28:30.809-04:002016-04-19T05:28:30.809-04:00Very convenient that the Christians didn't hav...Very convenient that the Christians didn't have their papers in order but the three Muslim families did. How did the Muslim families manage to get documentation and visas to Rome unless they had advance warning of when and where they were going? Totally unbelievable as is not being aware of the footnote. In fact, you would expect the Pope to be aware of the footnote more than he would know of the situation as regards the papers of families picked "randomly" from thousands of refugees ... only the absolutely gullible would believe what we're being fed by the Vatican these days.<br /><br />If we were to go back over the last three years and revisit the interviews to the atheist and other things where we're been told over and over again that the Pope has been misinterpreted etc, taken out of context and so on, it is absolutely appalling. Not one word do I believe. In my wildest dreams I never ever imagined as a Catholic I would think that of the Vatican but, having seen pictures of gays kissing in L'osservatore Romano, etc, I don't believe a word of what comes out of there but I don't think we've hit rock bottom yet. There is much more to come and in the end even apologists like Mark Thomas will eventually realise how naive they were ... or reluctant as we all have been in the past to face up to the reality ... unfortunately, it is as it is. There is no misinterpretation or taking out of context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-32344830627635157162016-04-18T18:55:18.797-04:002016-04-18T18:55:18.797-04:00Mark,
Thanks for your clarification. I wish that ...Mark,<br /><br />Thanks for your clarification. I wish that I could give him the benefit of the doubt. But the pattern of behavior--the modernists' in general as well as Francis's in particular--make it very difficult for me to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29322885195820440622016-04-18T17:48:23.541-04:002016-04-18T17:48:23.541-04:00Marc said..."Mark, if the pope is exhausted b...Marc said..."Mark, if the pope is exhausted because of all the attention being paid to divorced and "remarried" people receiving Holy Communion, that is his own fault since the creation of this "controversy" was entirely of his own doing."<br /><br />I understand your point. Pope Francis' style is to permit everybody to offer their ideas as he did during the Synods. For better or worse, he allows people to mix things up. Confusion can entail certainly from that style of Papal governance.<br /><br />Now, in fairness to Pope Francis, he didn't position communion for Catholics who had divorced and entered into new unions as the overriding (along with homosexuality) issue in regard to Catholic family life.<br /><br />Example: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-communion-for-divorced-remarried-isnt-the-only-synod-issue-50843/<br /><br />Pope: Communion for divorced, remarried isn't the only synod issue<br /><br />Vatican City, Sep 28, 2015 / 04:03 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Pope Francis told journalists on board his flight to Rome that giving communion to divorced and remarried Catholics is a “simplistic” solution to the issue, and stressed that there are also other problems that need to be discussed.<br /> <br />“(It) seems a bit simplistic to me to say that the synod, that the solution for these people is that they can receive communion. That's not the only solution (asked for).”<br /> <br />What the “Instrumentum laboris” proposes “is a lot,” he said. “Also, the problem of the new unions of divorcees isn't the only problem.”<br /> <br />“In the instrumentum laboris, there are many (problems to be addressed). For example, young people don’t get married. They don’t want to get married. It's a pastoral problem for the Church. Another problem: the effective maturity for a marriage. Another problem: faith.”<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61949659997712774982016-04-18T17:17:16.116-04:002016-04-18T17:17:16.116-04:00Anonymous at 4:20 P.M.
You made excellent points....Anonymous at 4:20 P.M.<br /><br />You made excellent points. I simply presented some possibilities as to why Pope Francis said that he's unaware as to the footnote in question. I acknowledged that the possibilities that I presented are not convincing. I thought that I'd offer a few possibilities that, again, I admit are weak.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59822907268265614102016-04-18T16:21:25.953-04:002016-04-18T16:21:25.953-04:00Perhaps this is a bad translation, or perhaps the ...Perhaps this is a bad translation, or perhaps the Holy Father just misspoke. But if he truly could not remember the famous/infamous footnote in question, then we're in serious trouble. In that case, this is no time for division among serious Catholics. We need to batten down the hatches and pray for divine intervention. <br /><br />I'm now moving beyond patient confusion to full-blown bewilderment. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-287949460356642672016-04-18T16:20:59.845-04:002016-04-18T16:20:59.845-04:00Sorry, Mark, but your defense isn't convincing...Sorry, Mark, but your defense isn't convincing. So he doesn't watch TV or surf. Surely someone at the Vatican does, and has told him of this firestorm? Someone? Anyone? He certainly presumes to know all about economics and climate change when he wants to . . . <br /><br />And regardless of whether he wrote the footnote, by signing the document, he took responsibility for it (and I think it's also legitimate to ask what the heck other people are doing contributing to it anyway). Permitting something like this, i.e. the publication of material that may arguably presume to change a doctrine of the faith, while being ignorant of it, would be grossly negligent. And that's added to the arguable bad judgment of writing such a huge document anyway that would invite someone to add material such as this. If your assertions are correct, they make this already bad crisis even worse.<br /><br />As to the idea that "said issue pales in comparison to additional issues that pertain to the collapse of Catholic family life": You (and the pope) can believe that if y'all like. I submit that no issue whatsoever is more important than the issue of whether the Church has contradicted herself, and thus taught error, in an area of faith or morals, thus revealing that she is not in fact guided by the Holy Spirit but is instead a purely fallible human institution. If she has done so, no statement or stand of hers on any issue (including family life) is worth the paper it's printed on.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36803368373214494652016-04-18T15:24:35.803-04:002016-04-18T15:24:35.803-04:00Father Mathias Guadron, SSPX has got it right : th...Father Mathias Guadron, SSPX has got it right : there are no known exceptions to the traditional moral teachings.The new moral theology is based on an irrationality<br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/04/father-mathias-guadron-sspx-has-got-it.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1394693329432555852016-04-18T14:48:14.101-04:002016-04-18T14:48:14.101-04:00Mark, if the pope is exhausted because of all the ...Mark, if the pope is exhausted because of all the attention being paid to divorced and "remarried" people receiving Holy Communion, that is his own fault since the creation of this "controversy" was entirely of his own doing.<br /><br />I agree -- it is sickening.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21090812615384747032016-04-18T12:17:14.674-04:002016-04-18T12:17:14.674-04:00?"Is he really so insulated that he doesn'...?"Is he really so insulated that he doesn't know that that footnote has set off a firestorm?"<br /><br />Pope Francis hasn't watched television during the past 26 years. I don't know whether he listens to the radio (news). He has said that there is just one newspaper that he reads daily. He spends just 15 minutes each day reading the newspaper.<br /><br />He said that he doesn't surf the Internet.<br /><br />Perhaps, as isolated that he is from mass communication outlets, Pope Francis is unaware as to the firestorm that has surrounded the footnote in question. However, he made it clear that he is aware as to how the news media distorted the Synod(s) on the Family.<br /><br />Perhaps he didn't write the section of his Exhortation that has generated tremendous controversy within and without the Church. Perhaps he has forgotten some of the content, certain in regard to footnotes, of the massive 60,000 word Exhortation.<br /><br />The following may pertain to the Pope's lack of knowledge in regard to the footnote: Pope Francis made it clear that unwarranted endless attention during the past couple of years has been placed upon divorced and "remarried" Catholics and the issue of their receiving Holy Communion. He made it clear that said issue pales in comparison to additional issues that pertain to the collapse of Catholic family life.<br /><br />I take it that Pope Francis is akin to many, if not most of us, in that the endless attention that has been paid to the issue in question has left him exhausted.<br /><br />Within the Church, liberals and traditionalists have beaten the issue to death. We are ten days removed from the presentation of Amoris Laetitia to the Church. But we remain fixated on a footnote from the Exhortation.<br /><br />It is sickening.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75900128361370040812016-04-18T08:43:48.928-04:002016-04-18T08:43:48.928-04:00Bob, dodge, and weave. Regardless of what he think...Bob, dodge, and weave. Regardless of what he thinks, or means, or even what he thinks and means, the way in which he answers makes it appear as if he's trying to subvert the Magisterium. the "I don't remember the footnote" statement is about as credible as when Bishop Niederauer, Nancy Pelosi's bishop, in response to a question, stated that he really didn't know her position on abortion since he hadn't discussed it with her. Is he really so insulated that he doesn't know that that footnote has set off a firestorm?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88827709906999779092016-04-18T06:15:12.746-04:002016-04-18T06:15:12.746-04:00His refusal to clearly state the Church's teac...His refusal to clearly state the Church's teaching that adulterers cannot receive communion without confession and amendment of life is telling. Actually no person conscious of mortal sin can receive communion without confession. <br /><br /> AND.......HE CAN'T RECALL THE FOOTNOTE! Does anyone believe that is a true statement? Really? The whole world is talking about that footnote and he can't recall it. <br /><br />What's the problem with this man. Christ called adultery, adultery. Christ told the woman caught in adultery to stop committing this SIN. That is VERY VERY clear talk from Our Lord Himself. Was he being unkind to people because He didn't say I understand your irregular situation. <br /><br />Everyone is trying their best to put an orthodox spin to this exhortation and it's not working. And sacraligeous communions aside what about sacraligeous confessions. Since when can a woman who had an abortion and is living in adultery go to confession and be absolved for the abortion while still living in adultery? Can I pick and choose what mortal sins I am going to confess. <br /><br />And the pope seems to be so understanding of all these people who have freely chosen to live an adulteress life, excuse me I mean all those people who find themselves in an irregular situation, yet is adamant about the whole immigrant situation. Why can't he be understanding to those who don't want all these people pouring into their country? Why are some sins "understandable" while others are condemed? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-45759818625120671752016-04-17T21:16:01.739-04:002016-04-17T21:16:01.739-04:00How many Christian families do have their papers i...How many Christian families do have their papers in order? Would the drive to populate Europe with Muslims be aided in any way by ensuring that some have the proper documentation? It might be good to remember the names of these families for when the buildings of Vatican City are cast down and rebuilt or renamed. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22923506677411415622016-04-17T17:56:14.303-04:002016-04-17T17:56:14.303-04:00"I don’t remember the footnote". What?"I don’t remember the footnote". What? Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.com