tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post9054813067854101221..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: WHO KNEW THE PRE-VATICAN II CHURCH WAS SO EXHUBERANT, SPONTANEOUS AND THAT POPE PIUS XII WAS SO CHARISMATIC?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18187274513169913342012-07-30T14:47:45.379-04:002012-07-30T14:47:45.379-04:00There is some wonderful footage of Pope Pius XII p...There is some wonderful footage of Pope Pius XII preaching beginning at around the four minute mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3PR1_vb4ToJeffCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-38961874083325729132012-07-30T08:56:16.706-04:002012-07-30T08:56:16.706-04:00At every OF ordination that I've observed pers...At every OF ordination that I've observed personally, and at many whose photographs I've seen, the bishop has always knelt to receive the newly ordained's first priestly blessing. As is, of course, traditional for any others who want the special grace of a priest's first blessing. What has it come to, that such things must be said explicitly?Henry Edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6659608144516772262012-07-29T13:55:08.003-04:002012-07-29T13:55:08.003-04:00Of course it's deceptive, of course it's d...Of course it's deceptive, of course it's dubbed. Who cares? It's a movie. I didn't know this was court evidence.ytcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60483517732762432612012-07-29T08:48:08.024-04:002012-07-29T08:48:08.024-04:00The montage of real/faux footage is deceptive, and...The montage of real/faux footage is deceptive, and the sound is dubbed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-27844861116113084822012-07-28T18:58:32.188-04:002012-07-28T18:58:32.188-04:00Marc, I attended an OF ordination and the bishop k...Marc, I attended an OF ordination and the bishop knelt to receive a blessing from the newly-ordained priest. In the EF the deacon kneels at the Jube domne benedicere but in the OF he is instructed to bow. For the blessing at the end of Mass, please yourself. One of the many annoying things about the NO is the tendency to regiment the congregation. I was once tapped on the shoulder by an officious sidesman to indicate that it was my 'turn' to go up for Communion. Quite apart from the fact that he had no idea whether or not I was in a state of grace, I was occupied in singing the Communion chant from the Graduale Romanum along with the choir, and told him to b****r off. This uncharitable remark meant that I could not in conscience receive the Sacrament.<br /><br />After receiving Communion I like to wander off to a side altar to make my thanksgiving. In this way I am spared having to listen to the priest reading out the parish bulletin (presumably for the benefit of those who can't read) and also the 'second collection'. The latter is an impertinent attempt to extort money. The good Fathers of the London Oratory sometimes have a 'retiring collection' which is much more civilized.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-38415618815295584032012-07-28T13:43:49.719-04:002012-07-28T13:43:49.719-04:00Gregorian, the footage of the Pope is real. Most ...Gregorian, the footage of the Pope is real. Most of the footage of the audience is fake.ytcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18040337035439596212012-07-28T01:13:51.666-04:002012-07-28T01:13:51.666-04:00Marc, if you are in a situation in which it would ...Marc, if you are in a situation in which it would be unseemly to kneel, then you can bow your head profoundly instead.ytcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23593466973735769632012-07-27T22:34:23.931-04:002012-07-27T22:34:23.931-04:00Nice to see the Sedia. The lens of continuity can ...Nice to see the Sedia. The lens of continuity can not be seen with it in the Vatican museum. Once in a while for Processions it would be nice to be seen. The film looks real. It took me a minute to realize it was indeed a film.Gregorian Massnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-28467366381031320152012-07-27T19:28:03.720-04:002012-07-27T19:28:03.720-04:00First, Pope Pius XII needs to be canonized. Sanct...First, Pope Pius XII needs to be canonized. Sancto subito!<br /><br />Second, Fr. McDonald, maybe you could talk a little bit about the difference between kneeling for blessings and standing. Since learning that blessing were normally received kneeling, I have always felt compelled to kneel when receiving a priestly blessing, but normally the atmosphere is not conducive because everyone else is standing. I feel compelled because kneeling indicates we are receiving something from the priest (or bishop or Pope) that is specific to his state in life. I'm not only talking about at the end of the Mass, which is important, but during RCIA or after various parish events. I don't know - kneeling just seems more appropriate. But, still, everyone stands, so I don't want to make a spectacle of myself (and sin against modesty). What are your thoughts on this, Father? It seems somewhat minor, but perhaps it indicates quite a bit about the muddied waters between laity and clerics...Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-64654187377786814862012-07-26T23:35:43.191-04:002012-07-26T23:35:43.191-04:00My mother in law got angry with me once when I sai...My mother in law got angry with me once when I said that I thought Christ was charismatic. She thought I meant roll on the ground, Vat II charismatic. I wish I had known about this to show her.rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.com