tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post8584634869865349752..comments2024-03-28T05:17:04.006-04:00Comments on southern orders: CARDINAL MUELER, SORE LOSER OR PROPHETIC FIGURE? AND IF PROPHETIC SHOULDN'T POPE BENEDICT INTERVENE IN A HEROIC WAY? JUST WONDERINGFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23279203388697807412017-11-30T17:06:39.903-05:002017-11-30T17:06:39.903-05:00ByzRC
I 100% agree with you, I am fortunate that ...ByzRC<br /><br />I 100% agree with you, I am fortunate that the vast majority at my parish embrace me, and have welcomed me rather peacefully. One person does not speak for all, not would I ever let that one person dictate such. (My best friend is Belarussian and Russian), <br /><br />Anon, far worse things have happened to me in Roman Catholic circles...Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85765886307374414282017-11-30T10:09:17.475-05:002017-11-30T10:09:17.475-05:00Joe, I question whether someone would have even ma...Joe, I question whether someone would have even made a threat to you at a Catholic parish. Maybe that's a difference to be considered as well?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19995548039580755312017-11-29T21:33:31.672-05:002017-11-29T21:33:31.672-05:00Joe P. -
As someone with Slavic roots, it sadden...Joe P. - <br /><br />As someone with Slavic roots, it saddens me greatly (and, I'm also a bit ashamed) to hear the story you related. First, and obviously, because it shouldn't have happened. We should be well beyond the days where it matters so greatly from where one's ancestors came which would then dictate where you worship, from where your potential bride should come, what funeral home you use and so on and so on (e.g. insular 'old neighborhood' kind of attitudes). All that should matter is that you are an Eastern Christian and you should be embraced as such. Case closed. Second, I don't know of what jurisdiction you are part but, many within the U.S. now label themselves as 'Pan-Orthodox'. My point, for general survival which is becoming a problem for many parishes, traditions from the 'old country' like Church Slavonic, chant and holiday foods like Paska Bread (Easter Bread), Orechovnik (Nut Roll) and Hrudka (Easter Cheese), among others should be preserved but, if the figurative 'tent' isn't large enough for all who seek God's mercy to gather within, when the older generation passes, there won't be many (or, in some places none) to take their place. Relatives of mine who have long since past were members of the American Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Diocese (ACROD) and while the aforementioned traditions are well preserved, among others, there is a view to be accepting of all who seek the true faith! <br /><br />To your other point, unfortunately, I would have to agree. The attitude within many Roman communities would be to avoid confrontation, get along, don't make waves, let it be etc. This approach doesn't strengthen the community when the actions of one such as the person you described is disruptive to the point that they have basically separated themselves from the community at a micro level and the church at a macro level. <br /><br />While there are those who might consider leaving for another parish or, would stop going altogether, my sense from reading your comments over the last few years is that your formation is strong to the point where one disagreeable individual won't distract you from the true faith and the salvation it provides. <br /><br />Z'bohom (Go with God)!<br />ByzRc<br />ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-91360834440062620672017-11-29T18:19:45.475-05:002017-11-29T18:19:45.475-05:00Much of this reminds me of a conversation I was ha...Much of this reminds me of a conversation I was having with a roman priest friend of mine. Every single problem within the church of Rome can be summarised as the inability of Rome to nip problems in the bud, or put another way, the lack of ability to govern its own house. Of course this isn't just referring to the present times, it's also referring to past times, when the filioque was added to the creed without an ecumenical council of the Church as a whole, the abuses that were happening during Luther's time, or dealing with dissident theologians, liturgical abuses or female altar boys to the present day....The day discipline is restored to the church of Rome...is when things will turn.<br /><br />A threat was made against me at my Russian Orthodox parish against my person, where a person thought he had the authority to call the police on my presence at the local parish. He was forced to apologize immediately, before I even brought up the incident to the priest....phyletism that this particular parishioner had was dealt with quickly and without me even bringing it up. I reckon to think that if this happened in a Roman parish that it would not have been dealt with so quickly. Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54386147549678724012017-11-29T17:19:28.115-05:002017-11-29T17:19:28.115-05:00Some thoughts given the number of topics considere...Some thoughts given the number of topics considered within this piece:<br /><br />"Pope Francis reportedly said to him that “certain people have told me anonymously that you are my enemy"."<br /><br />It would be naive to think this doesn't happen in every organization of size but, it still sounds sick to hear it in ours. <br /><br />"What is needed is “free and frank dialogue,” he added."<br /><br />I couldn't agree more. The conversation has been one way for 4 years now. <br /><br />"Instead, he feared that people within the pope’s “magic circle” are “worried primarily about spying on perceived enemies, preventing open and balanced discussion"."<br /><br />See above regarding naive/sick. <br /><br />“To classify all Catholics as ‘friends’ or ‘enemies’ of the pope is the greatest evil that they cause to the Church,” Cardinal Müller insisted.<br /><br />Sometimes, in life, you have to choose sides when truth and integrity is on the line. <br /><br />"Compared to Benedict XVI’s pontificate, the Church now seems “weaker,” Cardinal Müller continued.'<br /><br />I'm entitled to my opinion which is, it certainly feels that way. Careening toward becoming an NGO. <br /><br />“There are fewer and fewer priests yet we are offering answers that are more organizational, political or diplomatic than theological and spiritual," he said.<br /><br />Can't argue with this. Individuals "get it" - the organization hasn't yet and, probably won't embrace it. I can hear them saying, "There's no problem here". Fr. Z is right, the liturgy will save us and until we commit to the liturgy, well, here we are. <br /><br />“Pope Francis is popular and that’s a good thing. However, people are no longer receiving the sacraments. <br /><br />Cult of man, perhaps? That's very Protestant. If people truly respected the institution and loved our Lord, the sacraments would be paramount and the current steward of the Chair would be secondary. <br /><br />And his popularity among those Catholics who enthusiastically quote him, unfortunately, does not change their false convictions,” the cardinal insisted.<br /><br />I wonder who he's talking about......?<br /><br />“We need to become the Steve Jobs of the faith and transmit a powerful vision in terms of moral and cultural values," the cardinal claimed.<br /><br />If we let the Church be the Church and the Liturgy be the Liturgy, I think this would do wonders for faith, morals and dedication. Pop culture type figures will do little to 're-orient' things in the long run. ByzRushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543580976814745615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13632819649972363562017-11-29T16:59:38.020-05:002017-11-29T16:59:38.020-05:00I would like to believe that "this too shall ...I would like to believe that "this too shall pass" but the gerrymandering of the College of Cardinals to ensure this Pontiff's fluffy legacy is not helpful. Obviously the Holy Father, like any Jesuit Superior, demands total obedience. No questions asked.Tom Makinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16205083082154096793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36083665460353178742017-11-29T16:49:04.457-05:002017-11-29T16:49:04.457-05:00Henry,
The main value of this interview is its ev...Henry,<br /><br />The main value of this interview is its evidence that the worriers among us are not crazy. The problems with this pope, bless his heart, are real, and cardinals are saying so. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-87749151698351017692017-11-29T15:16:14.497-05:002017-11-29T15:16:14.497-05:00"This is very concerning and I fear quite tru..."This is very concerning and I fear quite true."<br /><br />Which part of the interview are you referring to? Is there something new in it?Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12780755069760197497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-67386840174157454472017-11-29T15:13:31.257-05:002017-11-29T15:13:31.257-05:00How can Cardinal Mueler be expected to respond to ...How can Cardinal Mueler be expected to respond to anonymous accusers? It has been my personal frame of reference that Pope Francis has a world view shaped by the horrors of the Argentine social and political wars of his younger years. It appears he either didn’t learn from them or learned exactly the wrong things. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31896134837979087362017-11-29T13:42:01.698-05:002017-11-29T13:42:01.698-05:00The slide started under Paul VI, slowed a tad unde...The slide started under Paul VI, slowed a tad under John Paul II and Benedict XVI, but now it's a race under the bottom with the "Most fluffiest Pope Evah!"TJMnoreply@blogger.com