tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post842558211477963158..comments2024-03-28T09:14:32.869-04:00Comments on southern orders: O THE HUMANITY OF IT ALL; THE TRAUMA OF LIVING IN LITURGICAL CHURCH WITH A SPLIT PERSONALITY!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31965229113410538182015-02-03T12:24:54.574-05:002015-02-03T12:24:54.574-05:00Bee,
There are varied accounts of the saint's...Bee,<br /><br />There are varied accounts of the saint's life, struggles and healings, but the point of the blessing on his feast day is to commemorate the saint himself, not to commemorate a specific event in his life or to prompt a particular cure. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14550631323267101102015-02-02T21:27:24.308-05:002015-02-02T21:27:24.308-05:00Anon @ 6:57, We are hoping to gain eternal life, ...Anon @ 6:57, We are hoping to gain eternal life, and I am praying that you will find the same.Carol H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02475843499648488542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21291854362215388432015-02-02T21:24:22.306-05:002015-02-02T21:24:22.306-05:00Bee, I heard the same thing. In fact, that is wha...Bee, I heard the same thing. In fact, that is what I told a man who visited St Joseph's for the EF on Sunday. He's not Catholic and asked me to explain what was going on.Carol H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02475843499648488542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-47559079267896494492015-02-02T18:57:30.047-05:002015-02-02T18:57:30.047-05:00Get a life y'all....Get a life y'all....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57051272333833215302015-02-02T12:31:06.585-05:002015-02-02T12:31:06.585-05:00JBS: "The blessing on Saint Blaise Day merely...JBS: "The blessing on Saint Blaise Day merely commemorates a saint who was preserved from starvation by eating candles while in captivity..."<br /><br />What? I thought it was because he cured a child who was choking on a fish bone. Hence the blessing of the throat...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74130034794315715282015-02-02T11:52:24.238-05:002015-02-02T11:52:24.238-05:00The Orthodox calendar is different in some ways an...The Orthodox calendar is different in some ways and similar in others. The same scheme is there, but there are more fasting periods, Easter is calculated using the conciliar scheme, feasts are not "transferred" and saints are celebrated on the date of their falling asleep (unlike in the Roman Church, where dates are sometimes moved, there is no problem in the Orthodox Church with commemorating multiple saints and events on the same day even if it's Sunday). Obviously some of the saints are different and some are the same.<br /><br />Also, Great Lent is longer and is preceded by three weeks of preparation.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86102937375129666262015-02-02T08:44:04.108-05:002015-02-02T08:44:04.108-05:00Whenever I have been to an Episcopal Church, mainl...Whenever I have been to an Episcopal Church, mainly for baptisms and confirmations, I've usually seen the "old" calendar in use, such as the ABC Sunday after Epiphany and XYZ Sunday after Pentecost. "Ordinary time" sounds too bland and secular. I suppose the (Eastern) Orthodox have a different calendar as their liturgical year begins in September.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3552586189432813492015-02-02T08:01:38.934-05:002015-02-02T08:01:38.934-05:00Father McDonald,
Where's your daily post? Ea...Father McDonald,<br /><br />Where's your daily post? Each morning, between the Office and Mass, I read your new post whilst listening to NPR. It's become an essential part of my daily ritual! Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49500717125833472242015-02-02T07:57:36.493-05:002015-02-02T07:57:36.493-05:00Anonymous,
It could be that you were highly susce...Anonymous,<br /><br />It could be that you were highly susceptible to suggestion. The blessing on Saint Blaise Day merely commemorates a saint who was preserved from starvation by eating candles while in captivity, and who interceded with God to heal the sick. The blessing with the two candles is not a magical cure. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29710651757717607612015-02-01T18:19:01.729-05:002015-02-01T18:19:01.729-05:00When I was a kid, I had a sore throat the day the ...When I was a kid, I had a sore throat the day the CCD teacher marched us into the Church to have the priest do the St. Blaise Day throat blessing, and my sore throat went away when the candles touched my throat. True story. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59024173209556914122015-02-01T15:28:11.629-05:002015-02-01T15:28:11.629-05:00John Nolan,
Thank you for your learned insights. ...John Nolan,<br /><br />Thank you for your learned insights. <br /><br />I once met Archbishop Runcie in Dallas, and was very impressed by him. I naïvely hoped he and JPII would find a way towards reconciliation. <br /><br />The importance of Anglicanism in the USA is hard to gauge, with Anglican clergy having largely opposed American independence, and the "Episcopal Church" having quickly become only a very minor force in American religious life (apart from the New England elite).<br /><br />At any rate, outside of a few Commonwealth nations in Africa, it's hard to discern any effective practices within and specific to Anglicanism, liturgical or otherwise, which we should copy. Therefore, it seems best for us to refer to our own liturgical and evangelical traditions as we seek reform. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71200677784366422722015-02-01T13:30:15.233-05:002015-02-01T13:30:15.233-05:00The larger problem is the substitution of the eccl...The larger problem is the substitution of the ecclesial and communal experience of Lent, with its attendant fasting, for the current pietistic practice of "giving up something for Lent." <br /><br />If you returned to the ancient custom of actually fasting during Lent, the resulting calendar issues would almost necessarily be resolved since you would once again need preparatory weeks prior to Lent. <br /><br />Until you the fix the praxis, skewed as it is by the erroneous pietistic theology underpinning your current Lenten practice, any return to an older calendar is merely an aesthetic change with no real import.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-77834805422151052462015-02-01T11:43:54.919-05:002015-02-01T11:43:54.919-05:00By the way, if you think the Pauline/Bugnini Missa...By the way, if you think the Pauline/Bugnini Missal is a dog's breakfast, just take a look at Common Worship - the options are bewildering.<br /><br />Cranmer was an out-and-out heretic but he realized that people ordered their lives on the liturgical calendar, and so did not interfere with it too much. 20th century liturgists, in their comfortable academic environments did not perceive any connection between quotidian concerns and the liturgy which they saw as being essentially didactic. <br /><br />The result is the Novus Ordo in the Catholic Church and its equivalent in the Anglican community. The NO is not inane; some of the results of liturgical research in the 20th century have born fruit in it. But I would submit that its basic premise is flawed. It was imposed on a largely bewildered laity by a clerical cabal with the pope (Paul VI) at its head; nothing remotely like it had ever happened before; and the damaging effects are still with us.<br /><br />If there is a disjunct in the calendar it is entirely the fault of those who disrupted it for reasons of their own. Yet there are devotees of the New Order who (absurdly) blame the Old for the dichotomy.<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63719147402532062522015-02-01T10:59:06.211-05:002015-02-01T10:59:06.211-05:00Hahaha, Father Allan, don't complain to the Ho...Hahaha, Father Allan, don't complain to the Holy Father about changing Ordinary Time into Septuagesima. If you do, Father Kavanaugh might insinuate that you are calling into question the soundness of the reform of the calendar which you should never do because the current calendar is now the legal and the "righteous" one...<br /><br />And by the way, that is the whole point why we can have blogs like this, which while remaining loyal and respectful of the Holy Father, nevertheless can raise valid questions about the soundness of many things which the Magisterium of the Popes of recent history have allowed into the Church, and not a few of them with questionable and even disastrous effects.<br /><br />It also means to say that we are not Papolatrists... We are not Pope worshippers. Though we believe in Papal infallibility, we will not take it sitting down as if we don't have the gift of knowledge and understanding when something is so contrary to Scripture and/or Tradition albeit respecting still the person of the Holy Father.<br /><br />And that belief in the exalted dignity of the Petrine office doesn't mean we have to believe and hunker down in obeisance to every footstep or every movement of the Pope's lips.<br /><br />That is why we can raise questions about communion on the hand, about altar girls, about the Mass, about the calendar, about the wholesale abolition of sacred things although some people say 99.9% of people in the pews don't care about these things.<br /><br />And I am wondering too why a lot of modernists nowadays have all of a sudden become triumphalistic montanists.PBdCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18327608722085568022015-02-01T10:34:41.074-05:002015-02-01T10:34:41.074-05:00Microphones are helpful during the sermon, and do ...Microphones are helpful during the sermon, and do not seem to detract too much from the pulpit. Other than that, there's little need for them at Mass, except as an aid to the hearing impaired. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-66283095759409565172015-01-31T21:21:50.394-05:002015-01-31T21:21:50.394-05:00The Anglicans also have two calendars; one based o...The Anglicans also have two calendars; one based on the Book of Common Prayer and the other on the new Common Worship. The former has Septuagesima (the Collect, Epistle and Gospel being identical to those in the classic Roman Rite). The latter has 'Ordinary Time' and a three-year, three-reading Lectionary.<br /><br />Restoring the season of Septuagesima would require more than wearing violet vestments and omitting the Gloria; it would require a rearranging of both the OF Lectionary and the chants (the Introit 'Circumdederunt me', for example has been moved to the Saturday before Lent 5, formerly Passion Sunday). And I haven't even mentioned the Office for the season.<br /><br />The Ordinariate calendar might retain the names Septuagesima, Sexagesima and Quinquagesima for the three Sundays before Ash Wednesday, but it doesn't mean much since they are stuck with the OF Lectionary which as we all know is still in 'Ordinary Time'. <br /><br />I shall be attending the EF for the next three Sundays otherwise I shall be compelled to change seasons. Remember that bit in Sacrosanctum Concilium about 'no innovations unless the good of the Church genuinely and certainly requires them'? It wasn't worth the paper it was written on.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7271180323551825352015-01-31T14:58:02.349-05:002015-01-31T14:58:02.349-05:00John Nolan,
I suspect the photograph is from the ...John Nolan,<br /><br />I suspect the photograph is from the late Sixties.Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18563509805214996222015-01-31T14:54:23.163-05:002015-01-31T14:54:23.163-05:00I'm not sure the average Catholic layman can b...I'm not sure the average Catholic layman can benefit from the broader calendar of the EF. For this reason, the simplified calendar seems the better choice for them. For other Catholics, these weeks of preparation can provide for a fuller, more conscious and more active participation in the Lenten rites. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90410565346700390192015-01-31T14:45:27.997-05:002015-01-31T14:45:27.997-05:00Preparing for Lent is of very ancient origin. Ther...Preparing for Lent is of very ancient origin. There is a need to prepare both physically and spiritually for the great fast. <br /><br />In the West, Lent formerly required actual fasting, so there was a period of three weeks to prepare for that fast with lighter fasting. Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69453341810664182162015-01-31T14:41:26.312-05:002015-01-31T14:41:26.312-05:00John - Microphones can be pesky and stories about ...John - Microphones can be pesky and stories about them are numerous. I'll add one more.<br /><br />In Spain last October, I visited the cathedral in Madrid. As we wandered around in the apse, I looked through the screen only to see the very lengthy microphone cords looped together and hanging from the volutes of the columns that are part of the altar decorations. <br /><br />These coils were out of sight of anyone in the nave, but I thought, "Oh No!" Not even here!<br /><br /> Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-17385171532639256152015-01-31T14:33:38.466-05:002015-01-31T14:33:38.466-05:00"So, in the Extraordinary Form, you are prete..."So, in the Extraordinary Form, you are pretending it is Lent when it is not."<br /><br />It's sometimes called pre-Lent--a season of preparation for Lent, a time when we make the transition from the joy of the Christmas season to the penitence of Lent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-33593672507284962552015-01-31T14:18:18.543-05:002015-01-31T14:18:18.543-05:00So, in the Extraordinary Form, you are pretending ...So, in the Extraordinary Form, you are pretending it is Lent when it is not.<br /><br />Well, there's a good reason to restore the old calendar!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3849182682316846552015-01-31T11:06:01.440-05:002015-01-31T11:06:01.440-05:00In the photograph the celebrant and one of the fou...In the photograph the celebrant and one of the four servers (three too many) are holding microphones. When the priest ascends to the altar, assuming he doesn't trip over the trailing wire, what does he do with the mike? Does he continue to hold it for all the audible parts of the Mass? Which hand does he hold it in for the Dominus vobiscum? <br /><br />Keep amplification for the Novus Ordo where it belongs. (Yes, I know that Pius XII had a couple on the papal altar, disguised as reliquaries.)<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-66122644032494351202015-01-31T09:43:54.779-05:002015-01-31T09:43:54.779-05:00A common explanation of septua/sexi/quinqua-gesima...A common explanation of septua/sexi/quinqua-gesima terminology:<br /><br />--<b>Septua</b>gesima Sunday, likely so-called because — as the 63rd day before Easter — it falls in the <b>7th (septimus)</b> decade or 10-day period before Easter;<br />--<b>Sexa</b>gesima Sunday, which is the 56th day before Easter and falls in the <b>6th (sextus)</b> decade before Easter; and <br />--<b>Quinqua</b>gesima Sunday, which is the 49th day before Easter and falls in the <b>5th (quintus)</b> decade of days before Easter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com