tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post8345490195607298925..comments2024-03-28T12:59:52.914-04:00Comments on southern orders: A BOMBSHELL THAT FIZZLED: WHAT POPE FRANCIS ALLEGEDLY SAID AND ACTUALLY SAIDFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52156741746768842292014-04-29T16:06:32.766-04:002014-04-29T16:06:32.766-04:00Henry,
Great article! I wish Crisis was available...Henry,<br /><br />Great article! I wish Crisis was available for Kindle. <br /><br />I think modern Catholics want the exemptions Moses gave the Twelve Tribes, allowing for divorce and remarriage. But Christ elevated natural marriage to the dignity of a sacrament, signifying His relationship with His spousal Church, and made it very clear that anyone who gets divorced, or who marries a divorcee, commits adultery.<br /><br />If the Church wants to leave decisions concerning nullity of marriage to individual consciences, then that's one thing, but to suggest there's such a thing as sacramental divorce that permits sacramental remarriage is quite another. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57507320056464907112014-04-29T12:54:34.670-04:002014-04-29T12:54:34.670-04:00The best I've seen on the Catholic view of mar...The best I've seen on the Catholic view of marriage re the Kasper proposals:<br /><br />http://www.crisismagazine.com/2014/a-rival-good-to-gods-cardinal-kaspers-divorce-proposal<br /><br />And why priests tinkering with non-canonically sanctioned "pastoral solutions" to marital problems--inside or outside the Sacrament of Penance--seems inconsistent with age-old Catholic teaching about marriage.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51023589398850579622014-04-29T05:23:24.149-04:002014-04-29T05:23:24.149-04:00Richard, Yes, If I make it there, I certainly have...Richard, Yes, If I make it there, I certainly have some questions to ask some people! LOL!Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30796266504276185542014-04-28T23:42:49.850-04:002014-04-28T23:42:49.850-04:00"...RE: Paul VI's anguish, etc: Paul VI s..."...RE: Paul VI's anguish, etc: Paul VI should've thought about all that when he was messing with stuff. Ain't life hard."<br /><br />Gene, when we (hopefully) meet in the Kingdom, maybe he'll tell us what he was or wasn't thinking at the time.<br /><br />Gaudete in Domino Semper!Richard M. Sawickinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43780234685311050372014-04-28T20:12:59.289-04:002014-04-28T20:12:59.289-04:00Anonymous @at 9:41 AM:
"I'd rather see t...Anonymous @at 9:41 AM:<br /><br />"I'd rather see the cause for sainthood for Leo XIII, Benedict XV, Pius IX, XI, and XII, and even John Paul I advance before Paul VI gets any attention."<br /><br />Pius XII was (and is) seen (incorrectly) by some as having had an indifference toward what was occurring in Germany prior to and during WWII and a reluctance to take on the Nazis. Even though, as is now known, the Church under his leadership saved untold numbers from the concentration camps.<br /><br />Pius IX was the only European head of state to recognize in some way the U.S. Confederacy. His recognition was implied from a letter he wrote to Jefferson Davis addressing him as "Honorable President of the Confederate States of America". <br /><br />That they both issued important dogmas on Mary (the Immaculate Conception and Assumption) counts in their favor, of course.<br /><br />God, above all, knows that the Church has suffered more than enough from bad publicity and bad media coverage, and so I see it as unlikely that the above two will be canonized anytime soon (since it is under the guidance of the Holy Spirit that persons are canonized). There is always some possibility of the unexpected occurring however unlikely..<br /><br />Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82773719061189695672014-04-28T20:01:26.259-04:002014-04-28T20:01:26.259-04:00Anonymous @at 9:41 AM:
"I'd rather see t...Anonymous @at 9:41 AM:<br /><br />"I'd rather see the cause for sainthood for Leo XIII, Benedict XV, Pius IX, XI, and XII, and even John Paul I advance before Paul VI gets any attention."<br /><br />Pius XII was (and is) seen (incorrectly) by some as having had an indifference toward what was occurring in Germany prior to and during WWII and a reluctance to take on the Nazis. Even though, as is now known, the Church under his leadership saved untold numbers from the concentration camps.<br /><br />Pius IX was the only European head of state to recognize the U.S. Confederacy.<br /><br />That they both issued important dogmas on Mary (the Immaculate Conception and Assumption) counts in their favor, of course.<br /><br />God, above all, knows that the Church has suffered more than enough from bad publicity and bad MEDIA coverage, and so I see it as unlikely that the above two will be canonized anytime soon (since it is under the guidance of the Holy Spirit that persons are canonized). There is always some possibility of the unexpected occurring however unlikely..Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37182958243875239232014-04-28T18:55:07.635-04:002014-04-28T18:55:07.635-04:00RE: Paul VI's anguish, etc: Paul VI should'...RE: Paul VI's anguish, etc: Paul VI should've thought about all that when he was messing with stuff. Ain't life hard.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78918256495359250642014-04-28T17:43:35.521-04:002014-04-28T17:43:35.521-04:00Pater Expetens, it troubles me still that you insi...Pater Expetens, it troubles me still that you insist on writing my chosen handle in quotation marks. Are you doing this as an accusation against me or to clarify that you are speaking to me instead of someone else? If it's the latter, I'll think of some other handle for clarity's sake. If it's the former, I wish you'd explain more.<br /><br />Anyhow, I just thought of the "liberalism rooted in ultramontanism" idea this morning. It does seem to describe the situation of our times pretty well. What do you think?Catholicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-44697974949410824782014-04-28T17:25:28.568-04:002014-04-28T17:25:28.568-04:00Richard M. Sawicki,
Agreed. I would add his exce...Richard M. Sawicki,<br /><br />Agreed. I would add his exceptional encyclical Ecclesiam Suam to your list, and draw attention to his "Credo of the People of God". <br /><br />It must be admitted, however, that some bad stuff occurred within the Church under his watch. It's hard to know if he could have arrested this, however. It's also hard to understand some of his seemingly contradictory decisions, such as permitting Mass entirely in the vernacular while also requiring its celebration in Latin. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21554180349550161842014-04-28T17:12:45.806-04:002014-04-28T17:12:45.806-04:00A funeral is a means of moving a soul from purgato...A funeral is a means of moving a soul from purgatory into Heaven, so that it can help achieve what canonization proclaims. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-28629114317301037472014-04-28T16:43:20.549-04:002014-04-28T16:43:20.549-04:00"There is such a thing as the "sense of ..."There is such a thing as the "sense of the faithful" expressed at that funeral Mass and now confirmed by Pope Francis!"<br /><br />Sounds like media nonsense. The crowd at the funeral Mass may have acclaimed him as a pop star, but Pope Francis canonized him as a saint. In my opinion both were right--clearly, he was both a pop star and a saint--but it's not good to confuse the two.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-5834048912419849232014-04-28T15:28:40.542-04:002014-04-28T15:28:40.542-04:00Perhaps the papacy should rotate among the cardina...Perhaps the papacy should rotate among the cardinals, with a new pope every year. The prefect of the Holy Office could serve as a sort of "vice-pope", so that he and the pope could function spiritually as the Roman counsuls functioned temporally. <br /><br />Otherwise, we will just have to trust the Holy Ghost. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56921832024927546512014-04-28T15:19:17.251-04:002014-04-28T15:19:17.251-04:00"Catholic",
I must credit you with surp..."Catholic",<br /><br />I must credit you with surprising me with a phrase I've never heard before: "liberalism rooted in ultramontanism".Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2859452426732725822014-04-28T13:48:45.695-04:002014-04-28T13:48:45.695-04:00I have longed believe that Ven. Paul VI was someth...I have longed believe that Ven. Paul VI was something of a "white martyr" (or perhaps the correct term is "martyr of the heart") and would be canonized eventually, after the vicious attacks on him in the wake of Humanae Vitae.<br /><br />He was a sad figure in that he never lost the almost childlike piety of a young Catholic boy making his first Holy Communion and, consequently, was totally shocked and emotionally/psychologically stunned by the organized dissent against his exercise Apostolic-Magisterial teaching. ("What'ya mean they're disobeying me? I'm the Pope!")<br /><br />Immediately after the Council, he issued a "trifecta" of encyclicals defending the orthodox teaching of the church: "Mysterium Fidei", "Sacerdotalis Coelibatus", and "Humane Vitae", all of which (but ESPECIALLY the third) have been scorned, mocked, and basically ignored by the heterodox/dissenters ever since. The contempt heaped upon him, I believe, truly broke his pious heart to a degree he never recovered from in the rest of his life, but he voluntarily united that personal suffering, as Christ's Vicar, to that of Christ Himself.<br /><br />I believe the final years of Pope Paul's earthly life were filled with spiritual and resultant physical mortification which he bore with the consolation of the Faith and which, in my perhaps ignorant opinion (I'll leave that to God and history), are evidence of a "heroic virtue".<br /><br />Yes, I fear that Pope Francis may soon face a similar situation, where the Vicar of Christ, upholding the Church's immutable teaching regarding marriage and human sexuality, will face a widespread rejection just as it did with Her teaching "on Human Life".<br /><br />I pray it will not be so, but fear that it will.<br /><br />Gaudete in Domino Semper!Richard M. Sawickinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-32591347512417581512014-04-28T13:20:02.064-04:002014-04-28T13:20:02.064-04:00'Pope Francis seems to be concerned with bring...'Pope Francis seems to be concerned with bringing both the orthodox and the heterodox in the Church together'. I can't believe you wrote this. There can't be a synthesis between orthodoxy and heterodoxy, there never has been and there never will be. The fact that heterodoxy is allowed to go uncorrected in the post-Conciliar Church is beside the point.<br /><br />In his bad-tempered, uncharitable and dishonest letter to Archbishop Lefebvre on 11 October 1976, Paul VI demanded that the Archbishop submit to what he called the 'Conciliar Church', hand his seminary over to the liberal bishops who were his sworn enemies, and said that liturgical abuses were being addressed (palpably not true).<br /><br />What makes this even more astonishing is that by 1976 Paul VI was painfully aware that he Church he led was in freefall. I'm not saying he wasn't a good and holy man, but as a pope he was the wrong man at the wrong time. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24737297836175546082014-04-28T12:12:03.921-04:002014-04-28T12:12:03.921-04:00Of course John there is a big difference between a...Of course John there is a big difference between a worldly canonization by secularists and a sort-of canonization by the Faithful gathered at Mass and completely initiated in the Church and presumably good Catholics. Certainly you are not counting the Faithful in St. Peter's Square as some kind of anti-Catholic mob similar to the political faithful and their love of Hitler or any other political ideologue or demagogue. There is such a thing as the "sense of the faithful" expressed at that funeral Mass and now confirmed by Pope Francis!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37427200420872624892014-04-28T11:51:02.014-04:002014-04-28T11:51:02.014-04:00Anonymous, I would rather see Alexander VI canoniz...Anonymous, I would rather see Alexander VI canonized than Paul VI. Alexander was doctrinally orthodox, liturgically impeccable, and a patron of the arts. Also Julius II who took up arms to defend the independence of the papacy. What about Innocent III, the greatest pope of the high Middle Ages?<br /><br />The idea that JP II (who was the greatest man of the twentieth century and in my opinion a great pope) was somehow canonized by acclamation of the mob on his death in 2005 is preposterous. Take this to its logical conclusion and one would have had a Saint Maximilien Robespierre and a Saint Adolf Hitler. Odi profanum vulgus. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80135592955425418142014-04-28T11:25:12.637-04:002014-04-28T11:25:12.637-04:00People are not really looking for a way back to Co...People are not really looking for a way back to Communion. The Church has a pastoral method for that. It's called Confession and amendment of life. If people went to Confession and stopped being adulterers, they could receive Communion. <br /><br />No, people are looking for someone to tell them that it is okay to be adulterers and still receive Holy Communion. <br /><br />I wonder if there was ever a situation in the Church where this teaching was threatened and people were martyred over it. Oh yes, those great martyrs St. Thomas More and St. John Fisher, who stood for Truth and died to oppose a great authority trying to impose error and heresy.Catholicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36805554648788901382014-04-28T10:33:19.197-04:002014-04-28T10:33:19.197-04:00Pater Expertens, first, great name. Second, I see ...Pater Expertens, first, great name. Second, I see this as an excellent opportunity for pastors and other "sons of the Church" to properly catechize their flocks as to the role of the Pope in the Church. The media and many others would have us believe in the error that the pope is the Church, that he can change these things of his own authority. This is not correct.<br /><br />Just as in other areas of doctrine, this is an appropriate area for homiletic discussion. There is danger on both sides if one gets this wrong: sedevacantism, which is going to be a small problem in terms of numbers, and liberalism rooted in ultramontanism, which seems to be ruling our times even amongst those more conservative Catholics in the Church.<br /><br />Let us be Catholic, submitting to the Church without errors in our belief and steadfast in the Faith handed down to us. The pope is to be obedient to the Tradition. He simply cannot change it where he thinks he can or not.Catholicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-5435850932447265262014-04-28T09:58:38.572-04:002014-04-28T09:58:38.572-04:00John Paul I was a great pope! John Paul I was a great pope! Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62709993263839150712014-04-28T09:56:02.213-04:002014-04-28T09:56:02.213-04:00Anonymous,
I have yet to read on this fine blog a...Anonymous,<br /><br />I have yet to read on this fine blog a rationalization or dismissive explanation of the actions of the pope. Catholics are naturally inclined to seek rational explanations for papal actions. <br /><br />The synod to which you refer could conceivably promote all kinds of immorality and heresy, but this seems unlikely, don't you think? <br /><br />There are several of us commenting on this blog who wish Pope Francis shared the liturgical sensibilities of the pope emeritus, but he doesn't in this prudential area (several of us also regret that the pope emeritus was not more proactive when he was on the throne, like Pope Francis is). But as for morality, Pope Francis is a "son of the Church" who conforms his teaching and discipline to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. <br /><br />So, why raise the alarm about disturbing departures that have not occurred? Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82870486548576619052014-04-28T09:44:19.986-04:002014-04-28T09:44:19.986-04:00The only advice Pope Francis really needs today wa...The only advice Pope Francis really needs today was thoughtfully provided almost a century in advance:<br /><br />"I wish to goodness that the Pope would never speak at all except when he means to define ex cathedra. Then we should know where we are." <br /><br />Adrian Fortescue, 22 July 1920.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-87073410726859314092014-04-28T09:44:01.959-04:002014-04-28T09:44:01.959-04:00And it came to pass that the whole world groaned a...And it came to pass that the whole world groaned and marvelled to find itself Modernist.<br /><br />Keep the Faith, Anonymous. The Pope doesn't have the authority to change the teaching on marriage. But, it sounds to me like he's going to try. Of course, there have been heretic popes in the past. Yet, here we are with the same Faith. The Pope can't take that from us no matter how hard he might try.Catholicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88558651114827420832014-04-28T09:41:28.690-04:002014-04-28T09:41:28.690-04:00Just say NO! to Pope Paul VI's beatification. ...Just say NO! to Pope Paul VI's beatification. He was the worst pope of the 20th Century, and reigned during the worst sex abuse scandal in the history of the civilized world. To make him a sint would be a spit in the eye to all sex abuse victims. I'd rather see the cause for sainthood for Leo XIII, Benedict XV, Pius IX, XI, and XII, and even John Paul I advance before Paul VI gets any attention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-79025801145399900562014-04-28T09:36:23.787-04:002014-04-28T09:36:23.787-04:00Gene,
Just for fun.Gene,<br /><br />Just for fun.Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.com