tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post8236183951760477893..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: NO BOMBSHELLS HERE, I DON'T THINK?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-9534089372260811882015-06-24T06:53:18.568-04:002015-06-24T06:53:18.568-04:00Here's hoping. If the status quo is adopted b...Here's hoping. If the status quo is adopted by the synod it seems then that the whole synod was called for nothing - just to reiterate what St John Paul The Great said at the last Synod on the Family. But if the status quo remains then I think it will cause some liberals to finally leave in disgust.<br /><br />Jan<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50686360092635301612015-06-23T18:44:10.607-04:002015-06-23T18:44:10.607-04:00Asianews seems to agree with Fr. McDonald's ta...Asianews seems to agree with Fr. McDonald's take. The other process the doc refers to seems pretty vague though:<br /><br />"On the issue of remarried divorcés receiving the Eucharist, the Instrumentum focuses on "mutual agreement" towards the idea of a “penitential journey” under the supervision of a bishop, based on repentance, confirmation of the nullity of the marriage and the decision to live celibate.<br /><br />Others referred to a "process of clarification and re-orientation", in which the individual is accompanied by a priest. In relation to spiritual communion, some noted that this process “must be based on the assumption of conversion and the state of grace, and is connected to the sacramental communion.""<br /><br />http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Synod-to-focus-on-the-challenges-to-the-family,-the-discernment-of-the-family-vocation,-and-the-mission-of-the-family-today-34593.htmlMRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60747283568072338322015-06-23T18:33:50.539-04:002015-06-23T18:33:50.539-04:00That's the question. Currently the permission ...That's the question. Currently the permission to return to Holy Communion takes place in Confession. If the couple is abstaining from sex, the may return to HC. But the issue of scandal could persist if people know of the second marriage and one or the other returns to HC. The penitential period could address this I guess.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-26578278175734347612015-06-23T18:30:19.774-04:002015-06-23T18:30:19.774-04:00Thanks Father, I hope your interpretation is corre...Thanks Father, I hope your interpretation is correct. <br /><br />Archbp Forte apparently also said:<br /><br />"The decision by civilly remarried Catholics to not have sex, for example, could come at the end of the path of penitence and not the beginning, he (Forte)said."<br /><br />http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2015/06/23/vatican-sets-stage-for-family-debate-with-working-document/<br /><br />As long as they weren't receiving communion before the decision at the end of the process, I suppose this would be orthodox.<br /><br />Also, Vatican Insider says the document suggests the possibility of the Priest being able to nullify the first marriage, which strikes me as very dangerous:<br /><br />"The text states that there is “common agreement on the idea of a path of reconciliation or path of penitence” for remarried divorcees, however, interpretations of the actual content differ: some see the outcome as a “commitment to spiritual communion and a decision to live in continence,” while for others, a priest who guides penitents, should be able to “make his own appraisal and decide on whether to confirm or dissolve a bond depending on the situation at hand.”"<br /><br />http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/sinodo-famiglia-41948/MRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19872705861350029262015-06-23T18:27:08.991-04:002015-06-23T18:27:08.991-04:00Right. So where does the penitential process come ...Right. So where does the penitential process come in if there's nothing new here?Lefebvriannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73897794204244511482015-06-23T18:03:16.593-04:002015-06-23T18:03:16.593-04:00A lot misrepresentation by those who can't rea...A lot misrepresentation by those who can't read. It explicitly says Communion only for those abstaining from sex! Nothing new here. That's the way it is now. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46955950238986248102015-06-23T17:58:41.654-04:002015-06-23T17:58:41.654-04:00Some media commentary says that the "penitent...Some media commentary says that the "penitential process" mentioned here does NOT require abstinence, while some (like what Fr. McDonald quoted above) says the penitential process DOES require abstinence. Which is it, or has that not been made clear yet?MRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14160663722103748322015-06-23T12:27:28.767-04:002015-06-23T12:27:28.767-04:00With regard to the "penitential process,"...With regard to the "penitential process," what exactly would they be repenting of - the first marriage, which is still in existence, or being in an adulterous relationship? And since when does penance not require a firm purpose of amendment? And if their are going to stop being adulterous in their new relationship, why add in a new penitential process?<br /><br />This doesn't pass the logic test. Lefebvriannoreply@blogger.com