tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post8097684142009172838..comments2024-03-28T12:59:52.914-04:00Comments on southern orders: THIS PART OF CARDINAL SARAH'S INTERVIEW DEMANDS A SEPERATE POST AS HE THINKS AS I DO AND THUS HIS EMMINENCE MUST BE RIGHT! :)Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-55432949376111206012016-10-14T13:07:00.761-04:002016-10-14T13:07:00.761-04:00Pope Laughable is also bizarre and reflective of t...Pope Laughable is also bizarre and reflective of the users need for self-aggrandizement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-16839225424743156382016-10-11T17:12:55.930-04:002016-10-11T17:12:55.930-04:00How about "Pope Laughable."How about "Pope Laughable."Genenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7886001104140652072016-10-09T22:51:11.861-04:002016-10-09T22:51:11.861-04:00"Pope Venerable" is a bizarre form.
Wha..."Pope Venerable" is a bizarre form.<br /><br />What's next? "Pope Servant of God"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25867846704610734322016-10-08T16:46:46.154-04:002016-10-08T16:46:46.154-04:00TJM, please note that I said that "right-wing...TJM, please note that I said that "right-wing," not "mainstream" Catholic publications, trashed Popes Venerable Pius XII and Saint John XXIII. That said, various policies of the Popes in question were (and are) subjected to respectful criticism.<br /><br />Much, pro and con, was written about Pope Venerable Pius XII's radical reforms. Even today, many Catholics study and discuss (respectfully) Pope Venerable Pius's XII's reforms<br /><br />During the early 1960s, such Catholics as William F. Buckley (requiescat in pace) engaged, as I recall, in respectful criticism in regard to Pope Saint John XXIII's Encyclicals (Mater et Magistra, for sure) and policies.<br />=========================================================================<br /><br />You said that I'm "an apologist for a Pope who has little regard for his office or faithful Catholics." I am just a Catholic who does his best to heed Jesus Christ's teaching that compels me to remain attached to His Holiness Pope Francis as the Pope is the Vicar of Christ.<br /><br />I also do my best to take seriously the following from the CCC (I wish that certain right-wing Catholics would do so in regard to Pope Francis):<br /><br />2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury. He becomes guilty: <br /><br />- of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor; <br /><br />- of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another's faults and failings to persons who did not know them;279 <br /><br />- of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them. <br /><br />2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor's thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way: <br /><br />Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another's statement than to condemn it. <br /><br />2479 Detraction and calumny destroy the reputation and honor of one's neighbor. Honor is the social witness given to human dignity, and everyone enjoys a natural right to the honor of his name and reputation and to respect. Thus, detraction and calumny offend against the virtues of justice and charity. <br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69119070502286840482016-10-08T14:48:33.795-04:002016-10-08T14:48:33.795-04:00TJM, you may begin with Dr. Carol Byrne's arti...TJM, you may begin with Dr. Carol Byrne's articles located on Tradition in Action. You will read the outrage within the Church during the 1950's that was expressed against Pope Venerable Pius XII's radical liturgical reform policies.<br /><br />Begin here: http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f089_Dialogue_14.htm<br /><br />Via his diaries penned during Vatican II, Monsignor Joseph Fenton included Popes Venerable Pius XII and Saint John XXIII in his declaration that "since the death of St. Pius X the Church has been directed by weak and liberal popes, who have flooded the hierarchy with unworthy and stupid men."<br /><br />The right-wing most definitely denounced Pope Saint John XXIII as a "communist" following the release of Mater et Magistra.<br /><br />Are you unfamiliar with the Catholic right-wing's attacks against Pope Saint John XXIII?<br /><br />As Pope Francis noted, the right-wing accused Pope Venerable Pius XII of "heresy" when he (Pope Venerable Pius XII) overthrew the traditional midnight fast. I read decades ago right-wing Catholic publications which featured harsh assessments of the two Popes in question.<br /><br />Right-wingers insisted that Pope Venerable Pius XII betrayed Father Leonard Feeney and Traditionalists. Father Feeney was persecuted by various Churchmen who, following Pope Venerable Pius XII's decision to enter the Church into the Ecumenical Movement, watered-down EENS to open the door to ecumenism.<br /><br />On May 28, 1949 A.D., Father Feeney penned a lengthy letter to Pope Venerable Pius XII to beg protection from the Pontiff. The right-wing was angered when Father Feeney's letter was unanswered. They were angered throughout the 1950s as ecumania swept through the Church...and Pope Venerable Pius XII instituted radical reforms.<br /><br />Right-wingers were enraged when Pope Venerable Pius XII, via his 1956 A.D. Christmas Address, called upon nations to surrendered armaments to the United Nations Organization.<br /><br />I guess that you're not old enough to recall the right-wing outrage that existed decades ago within the Church against various Papal policies. Pope Francis isn't the first Pope to face the wrath of right-wing Catholics. But he is in good company with holy Popes (such as Venerable Pius XII and Saint John XXIII) who were attacked by right-wingers.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-65807289372027324472016-10-08T14:18:51.060-04:002016-10-08T14:18:51.060-04:00TJM, you must think you are God's gift to this...TJM, you must think you are God's gift to this earth? LOL<br />You better go to confession for all of your judgmental statements.<br />You are not God in case you didn't know. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52115743756606159502016-10-08T09:56:54.228-04:002016-10-08T09:56:54.228-04:00Mark Thomas,
You are real out in left field. Cite...Mark Thomas,<br /><br />You are real out in left field. Cite one mainstream Catholic publication or theologian who trashed Pius XII or St. John XXIII during their pontificates. I won't hold my breath. You are an apologist for a Pope who has little regard for his office or faithful Catholics. I see your're in good company with Anonymous (Satan ) TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63706581417278705602016-10-07T23:34:43.389-04:002016-10-07T23:34:43.389-04:00Amen Mark Thomas. I totally agree. Amen Mark Thomas. I totally agree. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51954271274328506482016-10-07T15:41:58.553-04:002016-10-07T15:41:58.553-04:00TJM,
Pope Francis has not brought upon himself t...TJM, <br /><br />Pope Francis has not brought upon himself the vicious attacks that the Catholic right-wing has launched against him from the beginning of his Pontificate to date. <br /><br />Catholics, right-wingers or otherwise, do not have the right to sin against charity in regard to Pope Francis (or anybody). Right-wingers don't have the right to misrepresent Pope Francis...to insult him, concoct conspiracy theories to defame him.<br /><br />We have the right to offer to him in respectful fashion our concerns in regard to his policies. <br /><br />But right-wingers sin against Pope Francis via insults, "The Evil Clown," "Frankie the Hippie,"...they draw nasty cartoons or Photoshop images designed to defame him.<br /><br />Again, Jack Chick must be proud of various Catholic right-wingers who, via the Catholic blogosphere, launch round-the-clock vicious attacks against His Holiness Pope Francis.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59105185391336109052016-10-07T15:32:25.112-04:002016-10-07T15:32:25.112-04:00TJM...
The right-wing denounced Pope Venerable Pi...TJM...<br /><br />The right-wing denounced Pope Venerable Pius XII's liturgical reforms. His Holiness Pope Francis noted that Pope Venerable Pius XII was denounced as a "heretic", for example, when he (Pope Venerable Pius XII) overturned the traditional midnight Eucharistic Fast.<br /><br />The right-wing denounced Pope Saint John XXIII as a "revolutionary" when he convoked Vatican II. The right-wing, within and without the Church, labeled him a "communist" following the release of Mater et Magistra.<br /><br />Via the Metz agreement, the right-wing claimed that Pope Saint John XXIII had sold the Church and Council to the communists. <br /><br />The Catholic right-wing remains vicious toward Pope Saint John XXIII. They have hurled at him throughout the decades any number of insults.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20013092361969069782016-10-07T09:13:15.468-04:002016-10-07T09:13:15.468-04:00Mark Thomas,
I was around during the pontificates...Mark Thomas,<br /><br />I was around during the pontificates of Pope Pius XII and John XXIII, and guess what? These sorts of anti-papal attacks did not exist within the Church. The reason is, both of these men,conducted their affairs with dignity and did not go around giving pressers and making buffoonish statements and providing curbstone "theology." Pope Francis has brought this on himself. Period, end of discussion. When Francis decides to quit the clowning, act papal, and stop pandering to the left which hates the Church, these attacks will stop.<br /><br />ps: Piux XII and John XXIII were both warm, friendly men, who exhibited a human side, so spare us going down that rathole TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71378772076348045502016-10-06T18:34:03.991-04:002016-10-06T18:34:03.991-04:00Henry, your reference to Jack Chick reminded me of...Henry, your reference to Jack Chick reminded me of the following: There are right-wing Catholics who, in their daily determination to attack and condemn Pope Francis, make Jack Chick look like an amateur.<br /><br />Via the Catholic blogosphere, there are right-wing Catholics who spew venom at Pope Francis, traffic in bizarre conspiracies designed to discredit Pope Francis, and even, a la Jack Chick's comic books, draw cartoons (such as portraying Pope Francis as a hippie) and/or concoct "photographs" to defame Pope Francis.<br /><br />I also thought about Jack Chick a few weeks ago when the "Catholic" right-wing pushed their latest bizarre Pope Francis-related fantasy world conspiracy theory...that George Soros controls Pope Francis.<br /><br />The Remnant got into the act via the following anti-Catholic "photograph" and story.<br /><br />http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2763-dcleaks-bombshell-the-soros-francis-connection<br /><br />The Remnant depicted George Soros sitting on a stack of money. The United Nation logo appeared next to Soros. Pope Francis was depicted, a la Holy Thursday, washing Soros' feet.<br /><br />Jack Chick must be proud of various right-wing "Catholics" who occupy the Catholic blogosphere. <br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51082511797591042052016-10-06T09:29:53.999-04:002016-10-06T09:29:53.999-04:00rcg,
Cardinal Sarah's mistake was assuming mo...rcg,<br /><br />Cardinal Sarah's mistake was assuming most of the hierarchy is still Catholic.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-35591048160309630752016-10-06T07:35:34.944-04:002016-10-06T07:35:34.944-04:00rcg,
The press office statement was issued becaus...rcg,<br /><br />The press office statement was issued because someone, somewhere, thought the cardinal was announcing new rubrics to take effect this Advent. I would like to know who, exactly, thought this. There was certainly nothing on the internet in English claiming any such rubrics were pending. As for the cardinal, his only fault was assuming that those who would read about his remarks would also have the intelligence to understand them. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49139507080632990412016-10-05T15:30:48.675-04:002016-10-05T15:30:48.675-04:00What about this: Cardinal Sarah deserved to be sma...What about this: Cardinal Sarah deserved to be smacked down because he spoke out of turn and with an apparent authority inappropriate to the occasion. He was, however, correct and despite the smack down is being vendicated and somewhat supported now. My wife remarked, that Cardinal Sarah was a "tough customer". I think he knew the risks and thought it was the right thing to do. So do I. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-35913901488727476792016-10-05T15:10:26.655-04:002016-10-05T15:10:26.655-04:00Henry,
Amen. Prior to the Council, the average 5t...Henry,<br /><br />Amen. Prior to the Council, the average 5th grader had a better understanding of the Faith than most adult Catholics, including clergy, do now. TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84006725554113599352016-10-05T13:46:17.984-04:002016-10-05T13:46:17.984-04:00"Therefore, Father McDonald, I don't unde...<b>"Therefore, Father McDonald, I don't understand your support for the "smack down" that Pope Francis had delivered supposedly to Cardinal Sarah."</b><br /><br />I grew up in the rural Protestant southern Bible belt before Vatican II. In those days Jack Chick type anti-Catholics caricatured Catholics as naive simpletons who believed their pope to be personally infallible in all his words and actions, and who sycophantically defended and parroted everything he said, however patently misguided and even stupid it might be. I never myself encountered any such simpleton Catholics back then, but paradoxically they are fairly common now, even among educated post-Vatican II clergy who are well-intentioned and seem otherwise generally well-informed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70115431818257924752016-10-05T10:49:33.855-04:002016-10-05T10:49:33.855-04:00Robert Cardinal Sarah did not deserve to have been...Robert Cardinal Sarah did not deserve to have been "smacked down."<br /><br />1. His Holiness Pope Francis desires open and frank discussion within the Church. He also noted the following: "In the Orthodox Churches they have kept that pristine liturgy, so beautiful. We have lost a bit the sense of adoration. Instead you keep this beauty of God at the center, the reference. We are in need of this renewal, of this fresh air of the East, of this light of the East."<br /><br />2. As Cardinal Sarah noted, the promotion of ad orientem worship is in accord with Church teaching and Tradition.<br /><br />3. At least since 2015 A.D., via prominent articles that he'd written, as well as interviews that he had granted, Cardinal Sarah has urged priests to return as soon as possible to ad orientem worship. <br /><br />During his July 5, 2016 A.D., "controversial" address at the Sacra Liturgia conference, Cardinal Sarah noted, with great care, the following: <br /><br />"I want to make an appeal to all priests. You may have read my article in L’Osservatore Romano one year ago (12 June 2015) or my interview with the journal Famille Chrétienne in May of this year. On both occasions I said that I believe that *******it is very important that we return as soon as possible to a common orientation, of priests and the faithful turned together in the same direction******* — Eastwards or at least towards the apse — to the Lord who comes, in those parts of the liturgical rites when we are addressing God. <br /><br />"This practice is permitted by current liturgical legislation. It is perfectly legitimate in the modern rite. Indeed, I think it is a very important step in ensuring that in our celebrations the Lord is truly at the center."<br /><br />3. Cardinal Sarah's ad orientem-related remarks during the Sacra Liturgia were offered in sober, careful fashion.<br /><br />"And so, dear Fathers, I humbly and fraternally ask you to implement this practice *******wherever possible,******* *******with prudence******* and with the *******necessary catechesis,******* certainly, but also with a pastor’s confidence, that this is something good for the Church, something good for our people. <br /><br />*******"Your own pastoral judgement will determine how and when this is possible,******* but perhaps beginning this on the first Sunday of Advent this year, when we attend ‘the Lord who will come’ and ‘who will not delay’ (see: Introit, Mass of Wednesday of the first week of Advent) may be a very good time to do this."<br /><br />"...wherever possible...with prudence...with necessary catechesis...perhaps...on the first Sunday of Advent..."<br /><br />Cardinal Sarah's sober, careful remarks, should not have caught anybody off guard as he, at least since 2015 A.D., had suggested that the Latin Church return "as soon as possible" to ad orientem worship.<br /><br />Therefore, Father McDonald, I don't understand your support for the "smack down" that Pope Francis had delivered supposedly to Cardinal Sarah.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73686796554171129452016-10-05T09:20:58.707-04:002016-10-05T09:20:58.707-04:00When it says in the gospel of John about the Good ...When it says in the gospel of John about the Good Shepherd:"... and the sheep follow him, because they recognize his voice", is this voice it speaks of not the sacred teachings and liturgies of which we of faith embrace? When the shepherd calls his sheep, he transmits to them something from within himself. The sheep have heard his voice and know that it can be trusted and so they follow him, and come to him when he calls. Are not the words Christ has uttered, and what has been revealed to the Church by the Holy Spirit, not the manifestation into our reality of His calling out to us to listen and heed His holy, timeless, and changeless teachings, which are ever present to those of us of faith; and also to those for whom exists the hope they will listen and obey His voice? We know that Christ is substantially present to us today in our own time, calling out to us in silence, in our <br />participation in, and adoration of His presence in the Holy Eucharist. Likewise, He is present to us in the voice of His teachings and liturgies which have been written down,called out to us, celebrated, and accepted by those of faith down through the ages.<br />In Matthew we read:"If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them wanders away, what will he do? Won’t he leave the ninety-nine others on the hills and go out to search for the one that is lost?" So it is with the Good Shepherd who is ever present to even the lost sheep and continually calls out to them in the hope they will listen to the voice of His teachings and return to the fold of the Church. The sheep who wander do so of their own will, but do so to their certain peril.The faithful sheep are always oriented in concert with the shepherd's will; those who wander soon become disoriented. All is not lost though. Though there are those who abandon God, He will not abandon us. Human beings cannot always be depended on. God is ever<br />dependable. Human beings disappoint. God never disappoints. He, by His Divine Will is available and present to us, even to those who wander away <br />from the flock. <br /><br />Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05809499822558662728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78567996282485163822016-10-04T16:03:13.587-04:002016-10-04T16:03:13.587-04:00Henry,
I have thought the same thing. Otherwise, ...Henry,<br /><br />I have thought the same thing. Otherwise, how could you explain that alleged Catholics, including priests and bishops, are voting for the Abortion Party.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88817946018435020992016-10-04T15:57:56.086-04:002016-10-04T15:57:56.086-04:00Father McDonald,
I sort of see what you mean, but...Father McDonald,<br /><br />I sort of see what you mean, but if the Holy Father did indeed instruct him to continue Benedict's reforms, then I see no problem with the cardinal's advice. A more troubling question is, why do high-ranking cardinals not know what the Holy Father wants them to do? Does he not meet with them regularly and guide them, answering questions and providing feedback?Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13692813306963610962016-10-04T13:12:19.686-04:002016-10-04T13:12:19.686-04:00TMJ: "Big people own up to their mistakes, li...TMJ: "Big people own up to their mistakes, little people just dig in deeper."<br /><br />Maybe the problem for the past half-century has been that so many mental and moral midgets have attained such high positions in the Church. Imagine how different it would have been, if our bishops had actually been the giants of the faith that we laymen once imagined bishops to be. Or if a significant number of them had simply been worthy of their high office, and faithful to their duty and sworn promise to defend the faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50375846744026526052016-10-04T11:00:21.290-04:002016-10-04T11:00:21.290-04:00Father McDonald,
Where did I say, I would jettiso...Father McDonald,<br /><br />Where did I say, I would jettison the Council? I am suggesting that the Novus Ordo be thoroughly reformed, such that is it much more in keeping with what the Council Fathers intended, id est,it would resemble the EF in a substantial way, or that it be jettisoned. The Novus Ordo was an unprecedented breach with the past and has wreaked havoc. It has spawned "Father Entertainer" and has definitely not attracted more people to the Church, quite the opposite. Why be contumacious by clinging to a liturgy which simply has not worked? Big people own up to their mistakes, little people just dig in deeper.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54530784079926817922016-10-04T10:44:57.877-04:002016-10-04T10:44:57.877-04:00Fr AJM
Vatican II doesn't have to be jettison...Fr AJM<br /><br />Vatican II doesn't have to be jettisoned. It can, however, be downplayed and accepted only as long as it conforms with Tradition. We know now (and have actually known for a long time but have not been prepared to admit it) that it was hi-jacked early on by a progressive faction and approved by a pope with liberal leanings who was too easily manipulated.<br /><br />Why do you say that the 'post-Vatican II Mass will never, ever be jettisoned'? We now know a lot more about its provenance than was ever admitted at the time; we now know that Paul VI was acting ultra vires when he attempted to impose an entirely novel rite on the entire Latin Church, and we know from experience that everything that has happened since (including the emasculation of the Roman Ritual) has had a deleterious effect. <br /><br />I do attend Paul VI's Mass, usually in its sung Latin version, but were it to disappear tomorrow I would not miss it. Like versus populum celebration, it lacks the 'auctoritas' which can only derive from time-honoured use. And the usual manner of its performance, whereby calling it a 'dog's breakfast' would be insulting to dogs, only serves to underline the point.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48733615362772832452016-10-04T10:14:49.713-04:002016-10-04T10:14:49.713-04:00I would not be against a priest whose Latin was ad...I would not be against a priest whose Latin was adequate but not fluent, reading the epistle and gospel at Low Mass in the vernacular, provided the Douai-Rheims was used. The modern vernacular versions, both in the British Isles and in North America, are seriously deficient.<br /><br />It is often forgotten that in the old days priests were familiar with the Vulgate and could read it at a brisk conversational speed. The faithful had the translations in their hand missals.<br /><br />However, as I have said before, a Low Mass celebrated as a Sunday Mass, at the high altar and with a large congregation, would be inaudible in a large church. Singing vernacular hymns was not the answer. The sung Mass (either Missa Solemnis or Missa Cantata) with the appropriate ceremonies would fit the bill, and this should be not just the principal Mass on Sundays and Holy Days, but the only Mass - this was the tradition for a thousand years and is still normative in the Eastern Churches.<br /><br />Pius XII allowed evening Masses. He should have done more to encourage the celebration of Vespers. Important as the Eucharist is, it is part of the liturgy. Stay at a monastery and you will find that the Conventual Mass (usually between Terce and Sext) is the only Mass of the day, although priests who wish to offer their own Masses in the morning are free to do so.<br /><br />However, the scheduling of multiple Masses to conform with the habits of the faithful is in my opinion an aberration; it's 'hysteron proteron', putting the cart before the horse. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.com