tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post7875663929529809546..comments2024-03-28T09:14:32.869-04:00Comments on southern orders: ARE LITURGISTS IDOLATERS?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-699713666918261772014-06-09T15:04:40.730-04:002014-06-09T15:04:40.730-04:00Cardinal Cañizares Llovera is a long way from reti...Cardinal Cañizares Llovera is a long way from retirement, and a key ally of Pope Francis, so I'd be surprised if he was to be put out to pasture just yet. Perhaps the Pope is intending to re-merge the Congregation for the Causes of Saints with the Congregation for Divine Worship, and put Cardinal Cañizares in charge.<br /><br />To judge from Sandro Magister's article, things look a bit bleak for Cardinal Burke.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13873507031809422203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-79357558871072058262014-06-09T14:55:18.331-04:002014-06-09T14:55:18.331-04:00Hardly, I'd say abusers of the Liturgy are ido...Hardly, I'd say abusers of the Liturgy are idolators, placing themselves above the mind of the Church. (A physical inability does not constitute an abuse, just so we're clear)Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-5767286888732623112014-06-09T12:02:29.700-04:002014-06-09T12:02:29.700-04:00Cardinal Cañizares Llovera prefect for the Congre...Cardinal Cañizares Llovera prefect for the Congregation for Divine Worship met with Pope Francis on Saturday. What does this mean?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-74980254313177974722014-06-09T11:16:39.754-04:002014-06-09T11:16:39.754-04:00I've attended Masses in both old and new ritua...I've attended Masses in both old and new ritual, in English, Spanish, and Italian. <br /><br />In simple chapels and at St. Peter's. Both in the pew and in the choir.<br /><br />Masses in Italian with the Pope on the beach...and with the Pope in St. Peter's (the altar position in the middle forces the celebrant to face the people).<br /><br />Liturgy ought to help us focus on God and the heavenly reality just beyond our sight... it ought to be means, not end. Medium, not message.<br /><br />Sure, I love architecture and well done music like the next guy. I appreciate reverence and a well thought out homily. Pomp helps. But the whole point is always the encounter with Christ.<br /><br />For the other sacraments too - I've participated in simple baptisms and more elaborate ones. Certainly some have been more beautiful than others. I really appreciated the explanation and heartfelt testimony of the deacon who baptized our first children. <br /><br />In my experience when clergy have a sense of awe (reverent fear) you can sense it in their gestures, serious demeanor, the deliberation they show with gestures and movements. Perhaps it's the non-verbal cues that make up so much of interpersonal communication. <br /><br />You know when someone 'means it' and when they're just faking it or going through the motions. Little children get it. <br /><br />I emotionally prefer the Mass in English...but intellectually I get more out of the prayers of the Latin rite - the preparatory prayers before ascending to the altar, the more overt reference to 'enemies' (we being the Church militant, it's nice to be reminded we have them and thus need the grace we get in liturgy!).<br /><br />I love to sing Gregorian chant...but wish I knew Latin better so I could pray while I sing.<br /><br />Perhaps eventually the Latin rite will have a Mass that incorporates many of these elements - which now we have Aramaic and Greek (amen, alleluia, Kyrie) added to the Latin or vernacular. Perhaps in few decades we'll have Spanish and the final Gospel re-added etc.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-26500364970542637402014-06-09T09:46:18.278-04:002014-06-09T09:46:18.278-04:00JBS, Yes, and the OF suddenly made every Priest th...JBS, Yes, and the OF suddenly made every Priest think he was a liturgist!Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37696821683470076202014-06-09T08:11:54.063-04:002014-06-09T08:11:54.063-04:00To what extent can we really separate the liturgy ...To what extent can we really separate the liturgy from the sacraments? For example, if Christ is the principal actor in the Eucharistic Sacrifice, then devotion to His actions there, which are directed towards the Father, can hardly be labeled "idolatry". It seems there can be no purely spiritual worship pertaining to the sacraments, so that the temporal elements are essential. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-69855975315652071062014-06-09T08:05:30.194-04:002014-06-09T08:05:30.194-04:00The challenge today is that every priest is expect...The challenge today is that every priest is expected to be a liturgist, whereas before only certain theologians occupied this position. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.com