tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post7297618733747810295..comments2024-03-28T18:02:12.286-04:00Comments on southern orders: CRUX'S BOMBSHELL INTERVIEW WITH FATHER ANTONIO SPADARO, SOCIETY OD JESUSFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86749051223823047412016-12-06T16:36:05.922-05:002016-12-06T16:36:05.922-05:00Mark Thomas,
What men like you will never underst...Mark Thomas,<br /><br />What men like you will never understand is that the Church is in crisis and has been since the Second Vatican Council. All the "silences" of the past decades are problematic and serve the creation of the very lukewarm laity that you hide behind to justify your passivity in the face of deliberate and continuing innovation, ambiguity, and episcopal disunity and confusion. This is also the reason that you will always be reduced to shameless politicization of Holy Mother Church, while justifying and defending those true men of principle who influence the Church (albeit in a negative manner). Adam Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80329177865742391192016-12-06T15:10:15.852-05:002016-12-06T15:10:15.852-05:00DJR said..."The "vast majority of Cathol...DJR said..."The "vast majority of Catholics" don't even bother getting out of bed to go to church on Sundays, let alone practice other aspects of the Catholic Faith."<br /><br />That is true (definitely throughout the West.)<br /><br />However, that doesn't overthrow the reality that speaking relatively, only a few Catholics shout and pout in regard to Pope Francis. The majority of Catholics, regular Mass-going and/or the Christmas and Easter variety, recognize him as a holy man of God. They would side with him should a faction within the Church challenge his authority.<br /><br />For example, the right-wing faction of the Church acknowledges regularly that they are "all alone" in their opposition to Pope Francis. Right-wing bloggers (as well as their readers via comment boxes) acknowledge regularly...<br /><br />"Nobody in my family agrees with me about Pope Francis...none of them understand the grave crisis in the Church...they are oblivious...nobody in my family is on my side...they think that I'm crazy...my friends don't have a clue..."<br /><br />Michael Matt of The Remnant declared last week that the "vast majority" of Catholics oppose he and his ilk in regard to their shouts of "heresy" at Pope Francis.<br /><br />Should the right-wing break with Pope Francis, we would witness the pathetic scene of wave after wave of Catholics filing into Mass...and standing on the sidewalk outside the Church would be the lone right-winger (or two or three) with signs...<br /><br />"Pope Francis is a heretic...join us, not the Pope's new world order. George Soros and the Jews control Pope Francis. A secret Church mafia ousted Pope Benedict XVI and gave us Pope Francis."<br /><br />The right-wing would be reduce to pathetic scenes. I pray that the right-wing will calm down.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7053040894571646542016-12-06T07:40:40.404-05:002016-12-06T07:40:40.404-05:00George,
Yours is a noble sentiment. However, I t...George,<br /><br />Yours is a noble sentiment. However, I think there's only a relative handful of Catholics--less than one percent--actively engaged in contention within the Church. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-12362060540423585812016-12-05T18:30:03.038-05:002016-12-05T18:30:03.038-05:00It is so distressing and disconcerting to observe ...<br />It is so distressing and disconcerting to observe all the contentiousness going on in the Church today. The Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, is suffering so much in our day, as it has done at other times down through the ages. The voice crying in the wilderness so long ago reverberates and resonates even unto our own time with its message of of repentance, of preparing a way for the Lord into our own hearts and souls. Let us in this Advent season repent of all our wrongdoings and be a "spiritual" tree which produces good fruit by our prayers, sacrifices, and good works which evidence our love of God and neighbor. Especially so in praying for our bishops and the Holy Father. We are living in perilous times, especially spiritually so. A faithful Christian though, being truly such, is never without hope. There have been so many in our time that have shed their blood for the Faith. There have been so many that have abandoned the Faith. Our hope, though, is in "the blood of the martyrs being the the seed of the Church". It too cries out to us into the spiritual wilderness which is so widespread in our own time.The blood shed by those because of their faith has great spiritual value. It is given this value from the Treasury of Divine grace which was filled by the merits of Passion and Death of our Lord. It compensates in an inestimable and extraordinary way for the lack of prayer and devotion of those of little or no faith. Along with the continued prayers and sacrfices of the faithful, it will help bring about a change of heart and mind, a conversion and repentance, which is so sorely needed today. Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05809499822558662728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62914002089095701732016-12-05T17:37:48.311-05:002016-12-05T17:37:48.311-05:00Mark Thomas said... All the shouting/pouting from ...<i>Mark Thomas said... All the shouting/pouting from certain factions within the Church in regard to Pope Francis and the Exhortation is much ado about nothing — at least to the vast majority of Catholics as they side with Pope Francis.</i><br /><br /><br />The "vast majority of Catholics" don't even bother getting out of bed to go to church on Sundays, let alone practice other aspects of the Catholic Faith.<br /><br />If rejecting the practice of the Faith is considered "siding" with Pope Francis, I can't think of a bigger insult to the Roman Pontiff than such an assertion.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />DJRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028761850444888285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37152830994541967542016-12-05T17:10:26.290-05:002016-12-05T17:10:26.290-05:00Mark Thomas,
The popes have clarified Vatican II....Mark Thomas,<br /><br />The popes have clarified Vatican II. Paul VI's "Ecclesiam Suam" and "Mysterium Fidei" corrected many early errors threatening the counciliar reforms. St. JPII clarified VCII repeatedly, especially by issuing a reformed code of canon law for the Latin Church in 1983, and by releasing a universal catechism in 1992. BXVI clarified the hell out of VCII in ways that have been thoroughly discussed here. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-16686163529716838022016-12-05T16:25:56.057-05:002016-12-05T16:25:56.057-05:00In three days, Vatican II will have closed 51 year...In three days, Vatican II will have closed 51 years ago. There are Catholics who, while speaking relatively, are few in number, remain very vocal in regard to their negative assessment of Vatican II.<br /><br />During the past 51 years, certain folks time and again requested our Popes to "clarify" Vatican II's ambiguities and points that, for example, according to the SSPX, "do not appear to us easily reconcilable with Tradition."<br /><br />Archbishop Lefebvre requested Popes Blessed Paul VI and Saint John Paul II to "clarify" the contentious parts of Vatican II. Bishop Fellay requested the same of Popes Saint John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis.<br /><br />In 2010 A.D., Bishop Athanasius Schneider requested Pope Benedict to issue an "urgent" new Syllabus of Errors that pertained to controversial interpretations of Vatican II that have, for decades, floated freely throughout the Church.<br /><br />None of the Popes in question heeded the requests in question. Does that mean that our Popes were arrogant in their collective silence in regard to the requests in question?<br /><br />How is Pope Francis' "silence" and, in turn, supposed "arrogance" in regard to the current "controversy" in question, different from the silent treatment that our Popes had given to the controversy that has, for decades, raged in regard to Vatican II?<br /><br />The bottom line is that everything...everything a Pope says or does will be declared "controversial" by this or that Church faction. <br /><br />When Pope Francis reiterated that the Church will never ordain women as priests, there were factions within and without the Church who reacted negatively to Pope Francis' "controversial" teaching in question.<br /><br />Pope Benedict XVI enraged certain factions within and without the Church following his "controversial" decision to consign the SSPX-related excommunications to history.<br /><br />Pope Venerable Pius XII enraged certain Catholic factions when he enacted his "controversial" Holy Week liturgical reforms. He created "controversy" when he reformed the Traditional Eucharistic Fast.<br /><br />The bottom line to all the "controversy" is that controversy is actually normal within the Church. As Father Spadaro noted, the shouting and pouting in regard to Amoris Laetitia is just part of the process within the Church.<br /><br />The bottom, bottom, bottom, bottom, bottom line is that Amoris Leatitia is here...and here to stay. <br /><br />Despite the calls from certain factions to rescind the following, Vatican II is here to stay. The Novus Ordo is here to stay. The Ecumenical Movement is here to stay. Our Churchmen will not turn back the clock.<br /><br />All the shouting/pouting from certain factions within the Church in regard to Pope Francis and the Exhortation is much ado about nothing — at least to the vast majority of Catholics as they side with Pope Francis.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20302653478232711402016-12-05T14:45:02.914-05:002016-12-05T14:45:02.914-05:00I have been mostly immune to the issues people hav...I have been mostly immune to the issues people have with Pope Francis and claims of slaps againt traditionalists but this reeks of passive-aggressive attitude toward traditionalist Catholics. <br /><br />My lay understanding of the Spiritual Exercises of Saint Ignacious is learning how to see more of God and Christ in the world. These sorts of responses, by contrast, dangerously Balkanize the Church. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661998350597126663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43459332296651565532016-12-05T13:58:45.719-05:002016-12-05T13:58:45.719-05:00In regard to the request of the "Four Cardina...In regard to the request of the "Four Cardinals" to His Holiness Pope Francis, I am reminded about the following "silence" from our Popes:<br /><br />From the 1960s to date, many Catholics begged our Popes to "clarify" Vatican II. The lengthy list of Catholics who did so include well-known Churchmen.<br /><br />From Archbishop Lefebvre to Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Churchmen who called upon the Popes to clarify Vatican II's ambiguities and "difficult to reconcile to Holy Tradition" teachings did not hear from our Popes.<br /><br />Example:<br /><br />In 2010 A.D. in Rome, Bishop Athanasius Schneider called upon Pope Benedict XVI to, in urgent fashion, issue a new Syllabus of Errors to condemn misinterpretations of Vatican II. Bishop Schneider's public exhortation to Pope Benedict XVI received major press coverage in Rome and beyond. <br /><br />For example, Sandro Magister reported the following:<br /><br />"There to listen to Schneider were cardinals, curia officials, and prominent theologians. Suffice it to say that the speakers included Cardinal Velasio de Paolis, Archbishop Agostino Marchetto, Bishop Luigi Negri, and Monsignor Florian Kolfhaus of the Vatican secretariat of state."<br /><br />The Apostolic See failed to respond to Bishop Schneider's "urgent" call to clarify Vatican II. Should Pope Benedict XVI have responded to Bishop Schneider's request?<br /><br />Were Popes Blessed Paul VI, Saint John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis "arrogant" in their refusals to "clarify" Vatican II as requested?<br /><br />==============================================================<br /><br />From: Rorate Caeli: <br /><br />http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2010/12/time-for-new-syllabus.html<br /><br />Time for a new Syllabus? <br /><br />"A veritable hurricane struck at Rome yesterday, December 17, 2010, just steps away from the Basilica of St. Peter: a bishop has offered nothing less than ... the reassertion of the infallible magisterium of the Church. <br /><br />"Because, according to Bishop Schneider, only the supreme magisterium of the Church (the Pope or a new ecumenical council) may correct the abuses and errors arising from the Council and correct its understanding and its reception in the light of Catholic tradition. <br /><br />"It is left therefore, to the supreme magisterium of the Pope. Hence his call for a new Syllabus that would list the condemned errors side by side with their orthodox interpretations. <br /><br />"Like so many other instances over the past 40 years, it is the infallible judgment of the Pope in "restating" Vatican II that is called for. Except that since the "freedom of speech" put in place by Benedict XVI, it is now up to officials to make that call."<br /><br />======================================================================<br /><br />The Catholic Herald: <br /><br />-- The call for a new Syllabus of Errors, this time on Vatican II, should be heeded<br /><br />http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/01/21/the-call-for-a-new-syllabus-of-errors-defining-misrepresentations-of-vatican-ii-should-be-heeded/<br /><br />"Bishop Athanasius Schneider had called for a new Syllabus, one that would condemn the misinterpretations of Vatican II."<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-91079759165769724692016-12-05T13:14:14.298-05:002016-12-05T13:14:14.298-05:00How is asking questions seeking clarity "an a...How is asking questions seeking clarity "an attack"?<br /><br />How are groups seeking clarification "avoiding serene debate"?<br /><br />The anger and wrath on the part of traditionalists/conservatives has to do with the ongoing global culture war division in our societies whereby the anti-Catholic left uses and weaponizes EVERYTHING to advance their socio-legal agenda to the detriment of our faith and the faith in our children.<br /><br />So when the Pope or Synods come out with vague or easily equivocal paragraphs that are immediately used by these culture warriors to drive children further into the sexual revolution and away from orthodox Catholicism, we react as parents defending children in an increasingly hostile world.<br /><br />Sure, many people are going from sincere alarm and concern with the pastoral damage being done in real time (like the infamous "who am I to judge" quip that got maximum secular coverage and thus penetrated the Low Information Catholic mindset), to vindictive vitriol. But can you really blame them? They get insulted by the Pope who talks about "dialogue" and gives all sorts of honors to Leftists, communists, abortionists, atheists.... and then drops the hammer on Traditionalists and Conservatives with next to no 'delicate' touch. How does the Pope imagine people will handle this sort of lopsided, double standard?<br /><br />If I see hostile enemies of the faith being gently treated...and then see my good faith efforts thrown back in my face, what am I to conclude is the attitude of the Pope if not hostility? Does hostility not breed hostility? Doesn't he listen to his own homilies?<br /><br />I've love there to be an actual debate on the merits of AL. So far I've seen none - not a single proponent of the "divorced and remarried should regularly go to communion" crowd has offered anything approaching an "argument" for their claims that this is both good for the couple and in harmony with Catholic doctrine. Most of the time they just ASSERT that it's good because "feelings" and assert that it's in harmony with Catholic doctrine because "reasons" which can't be elucidated.<br /><br />But asserting something isn't "an argument".<br /><br /><br />Jusadbellumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61427463925207036162016-12-05T09:19:02.104-05:002016-12-05T09:19:02.104-05:00'In situational morality the subject is freed ...'In situational morality the subject is freed from the objective norm, which is conceived in an abstract fashion, in favor of a pragmatism linked to circumstances.'<br /><br />I'm lovin' this New Catholicism! Surely the Pope doesn't think like this...Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13873507031809422203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-21935572824211222442016-12-05T08:48:49.636-05:002016-12-05T08:48:49.636-05:00Gene,
AL is fine. For example, it does not say t...Gene,<br /><br />AL is fine. For example, it does not say that active adulterers may receive the sacraments. It just says that if a priest should happen to see such a couple on their merry way somewhere, such as to a stadium or a cinema, then the priest should accompany the couple to their destination. It's called "accompaniment". Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39955407980248346192016-12-05T08:08:33.504-05:002016-12-05T08:08:33.504-05:00`The pope doesn’t give binary answers to abstract ...`The pope doesn’t give binary answers to abstract questions.`<br />So if you are an intellectual you no longer count in the Church, but exiled to the peripheries. May the Fathers and Doctors of the Church pray for us.Victornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50432837102744925822016-12-05T07:39:32.958-05:002016-12-05T07:39:32.958-05:00Amoris Laetitia is vague garbage. There, enough sa...Amoris Laetitia is vague garbage. There, enough said.Genenoreply@blogger.com