tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post719401836932817766..comments2024-03-28T11:36:20.629-04:00Comments on southern orders: IS POPE FRANCIS MORE OF A HARLEY MAN THAN A CONCERT FAN?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-26181685954224256182013-06-25T10:01:19.385-04:002013-06-25T10:01:19.385-04:00Marc, never ever become a "pope basher"....Marc, never ever become a "pope basher". A "Bergoglio basher", on the other hand....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13973585677085091952013-06-25T08:22:17.890-04:002013-06-25T08:22:17.890-04:00What if one counts their sincere prayers to the Bl...What if one counts their sincere prayers to the Blessed Mother for intercession and then delivers a large number of said prayers to the Pope as a spiritual bouquet? What if the pope then says one is a Pelagian, that is heretic, for having done so?<br /><br />Would that be like scheduling a concert so the professional musicians could practice for a once in a lifetime chance to perform for the Pope, only to have him not show up for an unstated reason, and then to say he's above wasting time listening to music, thereby dismissing the profession of those who devoted so much time to practicing to impress him?<br /><br />Lets think about this on more basic terms -- the pope is called pope because he is "papa"... How would any child feel if his father said to him, "I don't want your kindness" or "No, I won't come to your recital because music is a waste"?<br /><br />I am not a pope basher, but I will become one if he continues in this uncouth way. Being pope doesn't make one above simple kindness. This is especially true when one makes such a big deal about being humble as his introduction to the world. Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-35390194705079635932013-06-24T22:12:22.653-04:002013-06-24T22:12:22.653-04:00James, I don't think he looks down on Catholic...James, I don't think he looks down on Catholics who pray the Rosary. I think he supports popular devotions of all kinds. I think he was chiding people who count the humber of Rosaries they say as if it was a more Holy accomplishment than one sincere Prayer to the Blessed Mother for intercession. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-15949705802834355382013-06-24T17:18:28.199-04:002013-06-24T17:18:28.199-04:00Since he looks down on Catholics who pray the rosa...Since he looks down on Catholics who pray the rosary as "Pelagians" I wouldn't put those comments past him either.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16372463300223880001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83948529325864213292013-06-24T13:35:44.670-04:002013-06-24T13:35:44.670-04:00AAD - Read Dominus Iesus at(http://www.ewtn.com/li...AAD - Read Dominus Iesus at(http://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/cdfunici.htm<br /><br />It should help clarify the Church's teaching regarding the "necessity" of the Catholic Church for salvation.<br /><br />Section VI. THE CHURCH AND THE OTHER RELIGIONS IN RELATION TO SALVATION is of particular importance.Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63449732572327215882013-06-23T22:29:03.461-04:002013-06-23T22:29:03.461-04:00I may be an eternal optimist, but it seems to me t...I may be an eternal optimist, but it seems to me that the Pope could do his best work, without interference, during times when he knows the disruptors will be away (such as during a concert).Carol H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02475843499648488542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56667651812162502682013-06-23T18:52:50.409-04:002013-06-23T18:52:50.409-04:00John, you illuminate an important point: if Pope F...John, you illuminate an important point: if Pope Francis intends to 'clean house', and he seems to have tipped his hand that way, then he pretty needs to expect the sin of omission of allowing the Pontiff to make a fool of himself if no one in the Palace trusts him. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7730095615623811212013-06-23T18:38:21.483-04:002013-06-23T18:38:21.483-04:00I am curious to know Fr McDonald's opinions on...I am curious to know Fr McDonald's opinions on Anon in AOD's post.DWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8936382588421609302013-06-23T14:34:05.953-04:002013-06-23T14:34:05.953-04:00Yes, Marc, one has to remind oneself that the Cath...Yes, Marc, one has to remind oneself that the Catholic Church, through her dogma and the Magisterium, still contains the true Christian faith despite the apostasy and "spiritual wickedness in high places." Back a while, I said that the Pope's remarks reminded me of the pre-senile ramblings of someone lost at the mall...I see no reason to change my opinion yet. Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-91135834359587078832013-06-23T13:30:10.238-04:002013-06-23T13:30:10.238-04:00At Mass this morning the priest made reference in ...At Mass this morning the priest made reference in his sermon to the cavatina movement of Beethoven's string quartet op.130, to which the composer appended the word Sehnsucht (longing). The context was that Christianity is a religion of longing, and I was glad to hear a reference, not to pop 'culture' but to one of the greatest achievements of mankind.<br /><br />Pope Benedict (how he is missed!) understood Beethoven. He once said that the Ninth Symphony elevated humanity but the Missa Solemnis, with its praise of God, was the greater work. <br /><br />I'm told that Pope Francis, despite all evidence to the contrary, likes music, especially opera. Perhaps he sings in the bath. I think one of the causes of the present malaise is that the Church has never taken music, the greatest of all the arts, too seriously. The word predominates. The patron saint of music, St Cecilia, was an early Christian martyr who had, as far as we know, no connection with music. The only composer-saint we have is Hildegard of Bingen.<br /><br />It's all right for pop queens like Elton John to insult people by not turning up, but I can assure you that the real Queen would never be so discourteous, despite the fact that she has to endure things that would have me tearing my hair out.<br /><br />I am not required, as a Catholic, to like or approve of the man that occupies the Chair of Peter. I would hope that he has enough people around him to stop him making a fool of himself. Time will tell, but if a papal resignation is unusual, a papal deposition is by no means as uncommon.<br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /> John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29454618068842668252013-06-23T10:52:52.386-04:002013-06-23T10:52:52.386-04:00I think we are in a situation right now where perh...I think we are in a situation right now where perhaps the best (only?) way to keep the Faith is to pay as little attention to the day-to-day goings on and sayings of the hierarchy as possible. Reading about Cardinal Dolan's now weekly meanderings into de facto apostasy or the Pope's inexplicably vague yet alarmingly indifferentist remarks... One doesn't get the sense that things are turning around because these oblivious men see no mess that needs to be "cleaned up" (to borrow from a commenter in the other thread). <br /><br />Go to Mass on Sunday (ignoring either the abuses or the banality or both), pray the Rosary daily, live a devotional life of piety through the week filled with solid, Traditional writings and meditations, and pray that our Lord is vindicated in the end by the conversions of those who need to be converted. All the while, offer up these currents struggles as sacrifices for the temporal reign of Christ the King. That's all we can do...<br /><br />Oh, and pray that a Traditional order happens to set up a parish nearby to where you live...<br /><br />That's my roadmap anyway. I pray for the perseverance to keep the Faith because it is very difficult in these times (as it has always been for one reason or another - only now the most serious dangers thereto come from within the Church instead of without).Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-91821340737387727182013-06-23T09:53:56.066-04:002013-06-23T09:53:56.066-04:00Here's the pauperism that will be on display a...Here's the pauperism that will be on display at World Youth Day:<br /><br />http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/06/catholic-kryptonite-or-liturgy-from-age.html<br /><br />Maybe if it were a Beethoven concert, he would refuse it...Marcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-66162237085818287192013-06-23T08:29:00.023-04:002013-06-23T08:29:00.023-04:00He is a sovereign - of nothing. The Papal States...He is a sovereign - of nothing. The Papal States are gone and the title "Sovereign of Vatican City" is a fiction of law.<br /><br />Relax, Andy, the best is yet to come! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68978514585667693712013-06-22T22:06:56.692-04:002013-06-22T22:06:56.692-04:00Father, please read the June 23 Church Bulletin by...Father, please read the June 23 Church Bulletin by Fr Jerry Slowinski of St Jane Frances Parish in Sterling Heights MI<br /><a href="http://www.thecatholicdirectory.com/directory.cfm?fuseaction=display_site_info&siteid=71075" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecatholicdirectory.com/directory.cfm?fuseaction=display_site_info&siteid=71075</a><br /><br />In it, he quotes Pope Francis:<br /><br /><i><b>"The Lord has redeemed all of us, with the Blood of Christ, not just Catholics, everyone! Yes even atheists, If we do good for others we will meet one another there [Heaven]"</b></i><br /><br />He goes on to quote Fr Thomas Rosica's attempt to read Francis through Benedict, then adds his own comment:<br /><br /><i><b>"I believe Fr Rosica's remarks were unnecessary. There are many roads that lead up to the mountain of Heaven. I do, however believe that the Catholic Church offers the most advantageous and beneficial way to help people be one with God both in this life and the next."</b></i><br /><br />So, here we have a Catholic priest and pastor teaching "all roads lead to Heaven". What I get out of this, is it's A-OK if I want to dissent on certain Catholic teachings, mostly sexual issues, since all roads lead to Heaven, and I'll still be on the Catholic road, although maybe making my own detours by dissenting. But I'm OK, you're OK, all roads lead to Heaven anyway.<br /><br />So, either, A), this is the leadership and theology we are getting from Francis and we are <i>screwed</i>, or B) Fr Slowinski is leading his flock astray with flawed theology of his own. If B is the case, wouldn't it be the charitable thing to do for you, FrAJM to contact your brother priest, either by email or phone, to try to humbly correct his erroneous theology?Anonymous in Archdiocese of Detroitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10845977398752522592013-06-22T21:25:54.051-04:002013-06-22T21:25:54.051-04:00Let's not use Rorate Caeli as a source. They ...Let's not use Rorate Caeli as a source. They are despicable and have very vile non Catholic things to say about people who don't conform to their ideology. I'm probably an awful infidel because I have the audacity to be over thirty and I work and have a MBA rather than wearing a burqa while being changed to the kitchen and popping out numerous children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88985539483100280432013-06-22T20:49:28.484-04:002013-06-22T20:49:28.484-04:00Anon, I do not see how that relates to the Pope...Anon, I do not see how that relates to the Pope's extremely rude behavior which we have learned is the norm of this Pope (if he said it) or his not showing up.ytcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24680502285237058522013-06-22T19:42:51.421-04:002013-06-22T19:42:51.421-04:00This whole Pauperism is becoming a bit old. The sc...This whole Pauperism is becoming a bit old. The schtick was cute for the first couple of months, now it is just tedious. It's time for Bergoglio to realize that he is not just himself any longer, but he is a Sovereign and there are important things that go with it. This is very bad form.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03009356356243871772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30682459760100832882013-06-22T19:21:13.718-04:002013-06-22T19:21:13.718-04:00Use google to translate the Vatican insider/report...Use google to translate the Vatican insider/report. Note the pope has been working aal day on a soon to be release reform perhaps someone in the Curia does not like that and is hoping to destroy the pope to be release decisionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53001117255528243292013-06-22T17:49:53.480-04:002013-06-22T17:49:53.480-04:00He is displaying attention-seeking behavior and I ...He is displaying attention-seeking behavior and I will not entertain it.ytcnoreply@blogger.com