tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post7121070933897779080..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: TURN TOWARD THE LORD!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31228953975589067582013-05-25T19:24:32.073-04:002013-05-25T19:24:32.073-04:00There is no strong evidence for versus populum in ...There is no strong evidence for versus populum in the early Church. In fact, I would imagine that Jewish forms of ritual were still prevalent and that ad orientum would likely be the norm. I have been taught this in NT theology and history of worship courses...protestant ones. Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-87835631791640594052013-05-25T11:58:44.552-04:002013-05-25T11:58:44.552-04:00So, if versus populum celebration of the Mass was ...So, if versus populum celebration of the Mass was the practice of the early Church (and I'm not fully convinced that it was the universal early Church norm), was the return to (and preference for this practice, because it was presumed to be older) a form of antiquarianism? Did we adopt just what Pope Pius XII had warned us about just a few years prior?<br /><br />Centuries of experience seem to favor facing the liturgical east but versus populum was justified on the grounds that it was the practice of the early Church. If that justification is good enough then why don't we also go back to Communion in the hand where the communicant picks up the host from the palm of his or her hand (and the particles) with his or her tongue (and with female communicants having a cloth placed over their hands before the Host is distributed to them)? <br /><br />Don't get me wrong--I'm not arguing for a return to any of these practices and I still believe that the approximately 50 year old shift to versus populum was (and is) a core mistake that has done great damage to the Faith of an untold number of souls.Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42960311878056693522013-05-25T05:33:03.669-04:002013-05-25T05:33:03.669-04:00The 16th century protestant reformers maintained t...The 16th century protestant reformers maintained they were reverting to the practice of the primitive Church - ressourcement in other words. Antiquarianism is always preferring older practices to more recent ones. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-12769970161767916382013-05-24T07:15:03.556-04:002013-05-24T07:15:03.556-04:00In an effort to continue the discussion that has b...In an effort to continue the discussion that has been taking place on the previous "Fear of the Lord" post, can someone please explain the difference between "resourcement" referred to by Pater Ignotus and the "antiquarianism" warned of by Pope Pius XII in "Mediator Dei" in 1947?<br /><br />Is the modern reintroduction of Communion in the hand (by indult in certain countries) resourcement or antiquarianism? If it is an example of resourcement then why was it not reintroduced in the actual manner used in the early Church as described in Bishop Athanasius Schneider's recent little book entitled "Dominus Est" (It is the Lord)? Would such a more historically accurate re-implementation be considered antiquarianism and the actual current practice be resourcement? 'Just curious . . .Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-1136278357798540972013-05-24T06:26:38.921-04:002013-05-24T06:26:38.921-04:00At the London Oratory where there is a large numbe...At the London Oratory where there is a large number of communicants, those near the back of the church receive from a separate rail. When the priest proceeds down the nave with the ciborium, everyone genuflects as he passes. John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-73193568779899875422013-05-24T01:38:57.571-04:002013-05-24T01:38:57.571-04:00Why's that, Father? It would seem the Blessed ...Why's that, Father? It would seem the Blessed Sacrament is the Blessed Sacrament regardless of where It is. Either way, I'd be curious to know the reasoning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-77125276377901644382013-05-23T18:46:05.677-04:002013-05-23T18:46:05.677-04:00To everything, turn, turn, turn, there is a season...To everything, turn, turn, turn, there is a season, turn, turn, turn...Whimsynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19442663088054785542013-05-23T09:35:28.022-04:002013-05-23T09:35:28.022-04:00I should also add that when a priest is carrying t...I should also add that when a priest is carrying the Blessed Sacrament on his person, no one should genuflect toward the priest or say a prayer toward the priest. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.com