tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post7096894060423428646..comments2024-03-28T12:59:52.914-04:00Comments on southern orders: ARCHBISHOP MARTIN: CHURCH NEEDS REALITY CHECK? DIDN'T POOR, MALIGNED POPE BENEDICT TRY TO DO THIS?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-40719833985385397672015-05-26T16:45:24.961-04:002015-05-26T16:45:24.961-04:00JJ:
“I really don't care what they think or ...JJ:<br /> <br />“I really don't care what they think or believe.” <br /><br />That is a pity because it is the only viable long-term strategy for defeating the extremists.<br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42715862983674860272015-05-26T16:41:22.891-04:002015-05-26T16:41:22.891-04:00Mark:
Thank you for your response. I am not asser...Mark:<br /><br />Thank you for your response. I am not asserting that there are not any no-go areas inhabited by Muslims in Europe. I am saying I do not know and also that I certainly would not rely on reports listed on some counterjihad source for my information. I repeat what I said before in case you missed it:<br /><br />Now, could there actually be these Muslim no-go areas as alleged? Yes, there could, but we need more and better evidence than ideologically driven media hysteria to establish that. Each of the reports you list would need to be thoroughly investigated and evaluated.<br /> <br /><br />Here is a Wikipedia article on the Counterjihad movement. It is not the best source but at the moment I am unable to find anything superior:<br /><br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterjihad <br /><br />___________<br /><br />Unless I missed it you still did not answer where you found your list of reports by the way.<br /><br />I am an equal opportunity skeptic. I am skeptical of “reports” collected by “counterjihadists” and I am skeptical of articles such as the one in the Atlantic. But they are all “evidence” and must all be weighed and accorded the weight each deserves, including who is originating each report and what their agenda might be. My ideal is stated above – investigate each of the reports to get the factual details. This should begin by reading and interrogating the actual source cited -- for example, what do we mean by no-go area? What, precisely, is happening in them that is concerning? And if there are such no-go areas and they are inhabited by Muslims, does that establish a causal connection between Islam and the area being a no-go area? <br /><br />The situation is complicated. There are many different variables to consider. Radical Muslims and jihadists are not the only ones against whom we need protection. We also need to protect ourselves from those who seek to manipulate us for their own purposes. Even if manipulators are sincere, they may be mistaken.<br /><br />Seeing your litany of reports is what “almost made me choke on my porridge.” I was trying to be humorous by echoing Prime Minister Cameron’s comment.<br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-67146637875121275142015-05-26T13:58:05.119-04:002015-05-26T13:58:05.119-04:00Blogger jolly jansenist said..."I think we ar...<br />Blogger jolly jansenist said..."I think we are beyond worrying about what some Muslims think. I really don't care what they think or believe. It is a false faith and one that has declared the Church and the West an enemy. That is enough to make me lock and load."<br /><br />I appreciate your concerns in regard to Islam. There is a sense in which I am not interested in what they believe or think.<br /><br />However, the overriding reality is that for better or worse, for decades now, Rome has practice interreligious "dialogue".<br /><br />His Holiness Pope Francis has, of course, continued the Vatican practice of interreligious "dialogue" with Moslems...even to the point of his having invited to the Vatican Gardens an Imam to pray.<br /><br />Ummm...how did that work out? Not well.<br /><br />Pope Francis has declared that "authentic" Islam is a peaceful religion.<br /><br />1. Good luck in attempting to identify so-called "authentic" Islam. Islam is akin to Protestantism...shattered into one sect after another...devoid of unity.<br /><br />Nobody in Islam can speak for Islam...similar to Protestantism.<br /><br />Therefore, "authentic" Islam is whatever this or that Moslem and/or Islamic sect determines for himself or a sect determines for itself.<br /><br />2. There are several bishops, particularly within the Middle East, who disagree with Rome's interreligious "dialogue" with Islam.<br /><br />However, a Pope is a Pope...and for better or worse, a Pope (in this case, His Holiness Pope Francis) determines the course of interreligious "dialogue" with Islamic sects.<br /><br />I believe that during the past few decades, the interreligious "dialogue" with Islam that our Popes have pursued has failed miserably.<br /><br />Interreligious "dialogue", Ecumenism...all have unleashed tremendous damage within the Church.<br /><br />Ask our brothers and sisters in many parts of Africa, Iraq and Syria who are running for their lives from Islam as to how interreligious "dialogue" has worked out for them.<br /><br />Anyway, the bottom line is...again...that for better or worse, our leading Churchmen in Rome are determined to pursue the business of interreligious "dialogue" with Islamic sects...at least those who are willing to speak to "infidels".<br /><br />They will speak to us now...smile...then trample us later. <br /><br />Mark Thomas<br /><br />Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-64267871823846496812015-05-26T13:28:54.124-04:002015-05-26T13:28:54.124-04:00Dear Anonymous 2,
I am sorry that I did not answe...Dear Anonymous 2,<br /><br />I am sorry that I did not answer your questions yesterday. On this blog, I had also engaged in a discussion related to the Ecumenical Movement. <br /><br />-- Unfortunately, I had double-posted yesterday some of the sources that I had noted in regard to European no-go zones.<br /><br />-- Yes, I had read the Atlantic article in question. I most certainly disagree with said article.<br /><br />-- You stated yesterday that "many of the reports you (Mark Thomas) cited concern drug trafficking gangs. They do not sound like Islamic radicals to me but an example of a universal phenomenon in the West independent of religion (pun intended). Or, in other words, welcome to America."<br /><br />Conversely, many reports that I cited yesterday do not concern drug trafficking gangs.<br /><br />You stated yesterday that "Now, could there actually be these Muslim no-go areas as alleged? Yes, there could, but we need more and better evidence than ideologically driven media hysteria to establish that."<br /><br />I has thought by your comments yesterday and citation of The Atlantic article that you rejected the notion that Islamic no-go zones exist in Europe? After all, such a notion had "almost made [you] choke on [your] porridge".<br /><br />If I am wrong about that, then please correct me.<br /><br />Anyway, as I understand things, you acknowledge that Islamic no-go zones could exist. Correct?<br /><br />Finally, I disagree with the idea that "media hysteria" is behind the question as to whether Islamic no-go zones exist in Europe.<br /><br />Law-enforcement officials in Europe have declared that Islamic no-go zones exist in Europe. European politicians and governmental agencies in Europe have declared that Islamic no-go zones exist in Europe.<br /><br />Mark Thomas<br /><br />Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-38775461418771354252015-05-25T21:56:12.474-04:002015-05-25T21:56:12.474-04:00I think we are beyond worrying about what some Mus...I think we are beyond worrying about what some Muslims think. I really don't care what they think or believe. It is a false faith and one that has declared the Church and the West an enemy. That is enough to make me lock and load.Angry Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558209425377293588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-58618526331137918152015-05-25T21:15:16.648-04:002015-05-25T21:15:16.648-04:00"Jansenist" - What is silly is broad bru..."Jansenist" - What is silly is broad brushing Islam as if all Muslims thought and acted alike. They don't, anymore than all Christians can be likened to Timothy McVeigh or Josh Duggar.Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10112888179942377742015-05-25T21:10:21.726-04:002015-05-25T21:10:21.726-04:00Clue: KharijitesClue: KharijitesAnonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18807250788382828862015-05-25T21:06:32.277-04:002015-05-25T21:06:32.277-04:00
P.S. In your answer you should explain why ISIS i...<br />P.S. In your answer you should explain why ISIS is killing so many Muslims.<br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13357903088938942202015-05-25T20:58:01.712-04:002015-05-25T20:58:01.712-04:00Exam Question: “ISIS is Islam”
Discuss
Exam Question: “ISIS is Islam”<br /><br />Discuss<br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-31154663420413406272015-05-25T20:46:40.042-04:002015-05-25T20:46:40.042-04:00Suggested Readind:
Hilaire Belloc
The Great Heres...Suggested Readind:<br /><br />Hilaire Belloc<br /><i>The Great Heresies</i><br />Chapter 3 "The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed" with his ruminations at the end about a possible Islamic resurgence.<br /><br />And this time we have no Jan Sobieski in Europe.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34028168087856239522015-05-25T20:16:53.665-04:002015-05-25T20:16:53.665-04:00Look, this is all very silly. Anyone who cannot se...Look, this is all very silly. Anyone who cannot see that Islam is an evil and false religion and that ISIS is Islam is hardly worth trying to convince. They will still be apologizing for this savage religion as the knife slices through their larynx. Fuggeddaboudit.Angry Augustinianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558209425377293588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7220405056742538662015-05-25T19:46:58.826-04:002015-05-25T19:46:58.826-04:00Mark:
You wrote
“A writer (initials E.W.) noted...Mark:<br /><br />You wrote<br /> <br />“A writer (initials E.W.) noted that comment by Mister Cameron.<br /><br />Are you one of the men in question?”<br /><br />I am sorry bit I don’t understand this. But, yes, I was deliberately echoing Prime Minister Cameron’s comment. I am glad you noticed.<br /><br />By the way, you did not answer my quesions.<br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89056606154321204082015-05-25T18:44:02.381-04:002015-05-25T18:44:02.381-04:00Anonymous 2 May 24, 2015 at 10:48 PM..."Your ...Anonymous 2 May 24, 2015 at 10:48 PM..."Your comment at 11:18 a.m. about Muslims and the Irish referendum almost made me choke on my porridge.:<br /><br />That is an interesting line.<br /><br />David Cameron employed that line in regard to news reports about Islamic no-go zones.<br /><br />A writer (initials E.W.) noted that comment by Mister Cameron.<br /><br />Are you one of the men in question?<br /><br />Mark ThomasMarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-44421735188525726652015-05-25T17:09:26.277-04:002015-05-25T17:09:26.277-04:00The last part of my continued post after the line ...The last part of my continued post after the line got garbled in the posting. It should read:<br /><br />Let me just add that many of the reports you cited concern drug trafficking gangs. They do not sound like Islamic radicals to me but an example of a universal phenomenon in the West independent of religion (pun intended). Or, in other words, welcome to America.<br /><br />Now, could there actually be these Muslim no-go areas as alleged? Yes, there could, but we need more and better evidence than ideologically driven media hysteria to establish that. Each of the reports you list would need to be thoroughly investigated and evaluated. <br /><br />Here is a Wikipedia article on the Counterjihad movement. It is not the best source but at the moment I am unable to find anything superior:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterjihad<br /><br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-76005570892920581032015-05-25T16:52:31.867-04:002015-05-25T16:52:31.867-04:00These factors seem to have combined to create the ...These factors seem to have combined to create the no-go-zone myth. . . . If you dig through the fever swamps of the Internet, you can see the idea spreading since then. [Note: The “then” refers to Daniel Pipes apparently inexplicably reversing his 2013 recantation of his 2006 coining of the phrase “no-go zones” when referring to the French enclaves]. . . .<br /><br />But why, if there's no evidence for no-go zones and some of the highest-profile propagators of the idea have repudiated it, do such myths survive and thrive?<br /><br />It probably has a lot to do with the conservative media ecosystem. Erroneous beliefs such as these tend to concentrate along people's partisan or ideological axes. (The same is true of liberal media, though not in this particular case.) And once an idea has taken seed, it's extremely difficult to root out.<br />____________________________________<br /><br />Let me just add that many of the reports you cited concern drug trafficking gangs. They do not sound like Islamic radicals to me but an example of a universal phenomenon in the West independent of religion (pun intended). Or, in other words, welcome to America.<br /><br />Now, could there actually be these Muslim no-go areas as alleged? Yes, there could, but we need more and better evidence than ideologically driven media hysteria to establish that. <br />Let me just add that many of the reports you cited concern drug trafficking gangs. They do not sound like Islamic radicals to me but an example of a universal phenomenon in the West independent of religion (pun intended). Or, in other words, welcome to America.<br /><br />Now, could there actually be these Muslim no-go areas as alleged? Yes, there could, but we need more and better evidence than ideologically driven media hysteria to establish that. Each of the reports you list would need to be thoroughly investigated and evaluated. <br /><br />Here is a Wikipedia article on the Counterjihad movement. It is not the best source but at the moment I am unable to find anything superior:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterjihad<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-39959294921301246702015-05-25T16:51:59.045-04:002015-05-25T16:51:59.045-04:00Mark:
Thank you for your extensive response (whic...Mark:<br /><br />Thank you for your extensive response (which, while extensive, may look even more extensive due to doubtless inadvertent double postings). I am all in favor of getting actual facts. What I am not in favor of is distortions of facts by any side in order to promote a particular ideological or other agenda. The trouble nowadays is that social media can very quickly whip up a flame into a firestorm. So, how to get at the actual truth? Let’s begin with two questions: <br /><br />(1) I suspect you did not collect all those reports through original research but that they are collected somewhere on some website. I may have missed it but I would be interested to know what your source was. I suspect it was one of the counter-jihadi websites.<br /><br />(2) Did you read the Atlantic article I linked? Here is an extract giving a sense:<br />_________________________<br />Have you heard about the areas of Europe, or perhaps even of the United States, that are run by jihadists and which non-Muslims can't even enter?<br /><br />Don't get too worried if you haven't: They don't exist. Or maybe you have, if you watch Fox News or read snippets of Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal's speech about Islamic extremism. . . .<br /><br />But where did the claim come from in the first place? Like many political myths, there's a partial basis in fact that has become exaggerated into a hyperbolic and, in this case, inflammatory and dangerous claim.<br /><br />It seems to stem from two or maybe three real phenomena. The first is the presence of sharia courts in some places in Europe. In the United Kingdom, for example, "Muslim Arbitration Tribunals" are officially mandated but set up outside the court system and can resolve civil and family issues through Islamic law; there are also reports of informal religious courts. . . .<br /><br />The second real phenomena is the rise of vigilante sharia squads in some places. For example, in Whitechapel, East London, CNN reported on bands of Muslim men who try to keep alcohol out of the area and harangue passers-by about morality. RedState's Erick Erickson thinks he's caught CNN red-handed: While the network criticizes Jindal for not knowing of any real no-go zones, CNN itself reported on one! But the analogy doesn't quite hold. What's happening here is disturbing, but well-short of extremist-run enclaves. These are just ad-hoc groups, and area Muslims by and large condemn it in CNN's reporting. There's no evidence that these squads are powerful or widespread.<br /><br />The third factor is what are known as "Zones Urbaines Sensibles," or "sensitive urban zones," in France. These areas are defined by their socioeconomic status—they're characterized by high unemployment, high rates of public housing, and low educational attainment. As it happens, many of these areas are populated largely by poor immigrants from the Muslim world, creating a neat but misleading correlation. Some of the "no-go" coverage has suggested that police and other emergency services dare not go into these areas. The United States is sadly not immune to dangerous city areas where emergency-service providers feel unsafe, so in that way this is a universal phenomenon. But as BusinessWeek notes, it's not the case that the government has written these zones off; in fact, they've been designated for further attention and work on urban renewal.<br /><br /> Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81669603716137368132015-05-25T15:25:58.430-04:002015-05-25T15:25:58.430-04:00Islamic no-go zones in Europe:
CNN Reported In 2...Islamic no-go zones in Europe: <br /><br />CNN Reported In 2013 On Radical Islamists Attempting To Impose Sharia Law In East London:<br /><br />Watch The Report Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsG-u2GtZE#t=12<br /><br />CNN Host: “In One Part Of London, Some Hard-Line Muslims Have Formed Their Own Neighborhood Watch. They Are Not Looking For Criminals. They're Looking For People Who Are Breaking Sharia Law On Drinking ...” (CNN Newsroom, 2/1/13)<br /><br />CNN Host: “Britain Isn't The Only Country Struggling To Contain Such Bad Behavior. In Denmark, an Islamist from another so-called ‘Muslim patrol’ stands menacingly outside a polling station, vowing to stop Muslims voting. In Belgium, these extremists want existing Sharia courts, which handle family matters, to be expanded to cover criminal matters, including un-Islamic behavior in Muslim areas. And in Lerida, Spain, hard-line Salafist groups have angered locals by demanding pet dogs are banned from public transport and Muslim neighborhoods. Several dogs have been poisoned.” (CNN Newsroom, 2/1/13)<br /><br />Others Have Reported On “No-Go” Zones:<br /><br />French “City Officials Have Increasingly Ceded Control Of Heavily Muslim Neighborhoods To Islamists, Block By Block.” “A backdrop to the massacre in Paris on Wednesday by self-professed al Qaeda terrorists is that city officials have increasingly ceded control of heavily Muslim neighborhoods to Islamists, block by block. France has Europe’s largest population of Muslims, some of whom talk openly of ruling the country one day and casting aside Western legal systems for harsh, Islam-based Shariah law.” (Rowan Scarborough, “Muslims segregated from French society in growing Islamist mini-states,” Washington Times, 1/7/15)<br /><br /><br />“‘There Are No-Go Areas Not Just In Paris, But All Over France, Where They Are Effectively In Control,’ Said Robert Spencer, Who Directs Jihadwatch.Org, A Nonprofit That Monitors Muslim Extremists. ‘They’re operating with impunity, apparently secure in the knowledge that authorities cannot or will not act decisively to stop them,’ he said. ‘And with the universal denial and obfuscation of the clear motive for the Charlie Hebdo attack, they have good reason to think that.’” <br /><br />Rowan Scarborough, “Muslims segregated from French society in growing Islamist mini-states,” Washington Times, 1/7/15)<br /><br />“Swedish Police Have Ceded Control Over 55 ‘No-Go Zones’ To Predominately Muslim Criminal Gangs. An extensive report mapping out 55 no-go zones was released Oct. 24, showing where law enforcement has all but handed control to criminal gangs. Officers frequently face outright attacks when trying to enter the areas, which is a step up from the previous problem with attacks on mailmen, fire trucks, ambulances and similar services. Fire trucks and ambulances had to wait for police escort to enter the areas, but now the police themselves need protection. The no-go areas heavily coincide with the map of the 186 ‘exclusion areas’ aka. crowded, predominantly Muslim immigrant ghettos, where education is low, employment is lower and the only local business thriving is drug dealing.” <br /><br />Matt Danielsson, “Swedish Police Release Extensive Report Detailing Control Of 55 ‘No-Go Zones’ By Muslim Criminal Gangs,” Daily Caller, 11/2/14)<br /><br />Mark ThomasMarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70221840866821848942015-05-25T15:24:45.015-04:002015-05-25T15:24:45.015-04:00“In October 2011, A Landmark 2,200-Page Report, ‘B...“In October 2011, A Landmark 2,200-Page Report, ‘Banlieue De La République’ Found That Seine-Saint-Denis And Other Parisian Suburbs Are Becoming ‘Separate Islamic Societies’ Cut Off From The French State, And Where Islamic Sharia Law Is Rapidly Displacing French Civil Law. The report said that Muslim immigrants are increasingly rejecting French values and instead are immersing themselves in radical Islam.” <br /><br />The Daily Mail Reported In 2014 On The Existence Of “No-Go” Zones In The United Kingdom:<br /><br />The Daily Mail Reported: “Murders And Rapes Going Unreported In No-Go Zones For Police As Minority Communities Launch Own Justice Systems.” <br /><br />The Chief Inspector Of Constabulary In The United Kingdom Said Serious Crimes Are Going Unreported In The United Kingdom In Minority Communities. “Parts of the UK are becoming no-go areas for police because minority communities are operating their own justice systems, according to the Chief Inspector of Constabulary. The rise in ‘community justice’ means crimes as serious as murder and sexual abuse are going unreported – a situation reminiscent of Belfast in the height of the Troubles. Tom Winsor said police officers were simply never called to some neighbourhoods, where law-abiding people rather than criminals administer their own form of justice.” Daily Mail, 1/17/14)<br /><br />Chief Inspector Of Constabulary Tom Winsor: “There are some communities born under other skies who will not involve the police at all. I am reluctant to name the communities in question, but there are communities from other cultures who would prefer to police themselves. There are cities in the Midlands where the police never go because they are never called. They never hear of any trouble because the community deals with that on its own.” (Sara Smyth, “Murders and rapes going unreported in no-go zones for police as minority communities launch own justice systems,” Daily Mail, 1/17/14)<br /><br /> <br /><br />“Honour Killings, Domestic Violence, Sexual Abuse Of Children And Female Genital Mutilations Are Some Of The Offences That Are Believed To Be Unreported In Some Cities.” (Sara Smyth, “Murders and rapes going unreported in no-go zones for police as minority communities launch own justice systems,” Daily Mail, 1/17/14)<br /> <br />Mark ThomasMarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-90494826324955322682015-05-25T15:22:45.058-04:002015-05-25T15:22:45.058-04:00Muslim no-go areas in Europe...reply Part 2:
“The...Muslim no-go areas in Europe...reply Part 2:<br /><br />“The French Newspaper Le Figaro Has Referred To Downtown Perpignan As A ‘Veritable No-Go Zone’ where ‘aggression, antisocial behavior, drug trafficking, Muslim communalism, racial tensions and tribal violence’ are forcing non-Muslims to move out.” <br /><br />“Le Figaro Also Reported That The Les Izards District Of Toulouse Was A No-Go Zone, Where Arab Drug Trafficking Gangs Rule The Streets In A Climate Of Fear.” <br /><br />“The Newspaper Le Parisien Has Called Parts Of Grigny, A Township In The Southern Suburbs Of Paris, A ‘Lawless Zone’ Plagued By Well-Organized Muslim Gangs, Whose Members Believe They Are ‘Masters Of The World.’” <br /><br />“The Weekly Newsmagazine Le Point Reported On The Spiraling Muslim Lawlessness In The French City Of Grenoble.” <br /><br />French Magazine L’Obs Reports That In The French City Of Roubaix Citizens Want To Create Their Own Militia To Confront Radical Muslim Gangs. “The French magazine L'Obs has reported on the deteriorating security situation in Roubaix, a city in northern France that is located close to the Belgian border. The magazine reported that local citizens are ‘exiled within their own country’ and want to create their own militia to restore order because police are afraid to confront Muslim gangs.” <br /><br />“In August 2014, The French Magazine Valeurs Actuelles Reported That ‘France Has More Than 750 Areas Of Lawlessness’ where the law of the French Republic no longer applies. Under the headline ‘Hell in France,’ the magazine said that many parts of France are experiencing a ‘dictatorship of riffraff’ where police are ‘greeted by mortar fire’ and are ‘forced to retreat by projectiles.’” <br /><br />“Valeurs Actuelles Has Also Reported On No-Go Zones In Nantes, Tours And Orléans, Which Have Turned Into ‘Battlefields’ Where The Few Remaining Native French Holdouts Are Confronted With ‘Muslim Communalism, The Disappearance Of Their Cultural References And Rampant Crime.’” <br /><br />“A Graphic 20-Minute Documentary About The No-Go Zone In Clichy Montfermeil, A Suburb Of Paris, Can Be Viewed Here. At around the 3-minute mark, the video shows what happens when French police enter the area.” <br /><br />“A 1.5 hour documentary produced by France's TF1 about Muslim gangs in Parisian no-go zones can be viewed here. A 50-minute documentary produced by France's TV3 about the no-go zones of Clos Saint-Lazare in northern Paris can be viewed here. A 45-minute documentary about the no-go zones of Marseilles can be viewed here.” <br /><br />“A 120-Page Research Paper Entitled ‘No-Go Zones In The French Republic: Myth Or Reality?’ Documented Dozens Of French Neighborhoods ‘Where Police And Gendarmerie Cannot Enforce The Republican Order Or Even Enter Without Risking Confrontation, Projectiles, Or Even Fatal Shootings.’” <br /> <br />Mark ThomasMarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-49898554571291172412015-05-25T15:20:33.491-04:002015-05-25T15:20:33.491-04:00I am sorry, I will require additional posts to doc...I am sorry, I will require additional posts to document my claim in regard to Islamic no-go zones in Europe.<br /><br />If Father is willing, here are additional citations:<br /><br />“In August 2014, The French Magazine Valeurs Actuelles Reported That ‘France Has More Than 750 Areas Of Lawlessness’ where the law of the French Republic no longer applies. Under the headline ‘Hell in France,’ the magazine said that many parts of France are experiencing a ‘dictatorship of riffraff’ where police are ‘greeted by mortar fire’ and are ‘forced to retreat by projectiles.’” <br /><br />“Valeurs Actuelles Has Also Reported On No-Go Zones In Nantes, Tours And Orléans, Which Have Turned Into ‘Battlefields’ Where The Few Remaining Native French Holdouts Are Confronted With ‘Muslim Communalism, The Disappearance Of Their Cultural References And Rampant Crime.’” <br /><br />“A Graphic 20-Minute Documentary About The No-Go Zone In Clichy Montfermeil, A Suburb Of Paris, Can Be Viewed Here. At around the 3-minute mark, the video shows what happens when French police enter the area.” <br /><br />“A 1.5 hour documentary produced by France's TF1 about Muslim gangs in Parisian no-go zones can be viewed here. A 50-minute documentary produced by France's TV3 about the no-go zones of Clos Saint-Lazare in northern Paris can be viewed here. A 45-minute documentary about the no-go zones of Marseilles can be viewed here.” <br /><br />“A 120-Page Research Paper Entitled ‘No-Go Zones In The French Republic: Myth Or Reality?’ Documented Dozens Of French Neighborhoods ‘Where Police And Gendarmerie Cannot Enforce The Republican Order Or Even Enter Without Risking Confrontation, Projectiles, Or Even Fatal Shootings.’” <br /> <br /><br />“In October 2011, A Landmark 2,200-Page Report, ‘Banlieue De La République’ Found That Seine-Saint-Denis And Other Parisian Suburbs Are Becoming ‘Separate Islamic Societies’ Cut Off From The French State, And Where Islamic Sharia Law Is Rapidly Displacing French Civil Law. The report said that Muslim immigrants are increasingly rejecting French values and instead are immersing themselves in radical Islam.” <br /><br />The Daily Mail Reported In 2014 On The Existence Of “No-Go” Zones In The United Kingdom:<br /><br />The Daily Mail Reported: “Murders And Rapes Going Unreported In No-Go Zones For Police As Minority Communities Launch Own Justice Systems.” <br /><br />The Chief Inspector Of Constabulary In The United Kingdom Said Serious Crimes Are Going Unreported In The United Kingdom In Minority Communities. “Parts of the UK are becoming no-go areas for police because minority communities are operating their own justice systems, according to the Chief Inspector of Constabulary. The rise in ‘community justice’ means crimes as serious as murder and sexual abuse are going unreported – a situation reminiscent of Belfast in the height of the Troubles. Tom Winsor said police officers were simply never called to some neighbourhoods, where law-abiding people rather than criminals administer their own form of justice.” Daily Mail, 1/17/14)<br /><br />Mark ThomasMarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-66115137620377114262015-05-25T15:17:44.053-04:002015-05-25T15:17:44.053-04:00Muslim no-go areas in Europe...reply Part 2:
“The...Muslim no-go areas in Europe...reply Part 2:<br /><br />“The French Newspaper Le Figaro Has Referred To Downtown Perpignan As A ‘Veritable No-Go Zone’ where ‘aggression, antisocial behavior, drug trafficking, Muslim communalism, racial tensions and tribal violence’ are forcing non-Muslims to move out.” <br /><br />“Le Figaro Also Reported That The Les Izards District Of Toulouse Was A No-Go Zone, Where Arab Drug Trafficking Gangs Rule The Streets In A Climate Of Fear.” <br /><br />“The Newspaper Le Parisien Has Called Parts Of Grigny, A Township In The Southern Suburbs Of Paris, A ‘Lawless Zone’ Plagued By Well-Organized Muslim Gangs, Whose Members Believe They Are ‘Masters Of The World.’” <br /><br />“The Weekly Newsmagazine Le Point Reported On The Spiraling Muslim Lawlessness In The French City Of Grenoble.” <br /><br />French Magazine L’Obs Reports That In The French City Of Roubaix Citizens Want To Create Their Own Militia To Confront Radical Muslim Gangs. “The French magazine L'Obs has reported on the deteriorating security situation in Roubaix, a city in northern France that is located close to the Belgian border. The magazine reported that local citizens are ‘exiled within their own country’ and want to create their own militia to restore order because police are afraid to confront Muslim gangs.” <br /><br />Mark ThomasMarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-72986492226360872362015-05-25T15:10:52.857-04:002015-05-25T15:10:52.857-04:00Anonymous 2 said..."Mark: Your comment at 11:...Anonymous 2 said..."Mark: Your comment at 11:18 a.m. about Muslims and the Irish referendum almost made me choke on my porridge. I would be interested in your reaction to the following article in The Atlantic earlier this year about fear-mongering over alleged Muslim no-go areas in Europe:"<br /><br />Here is my reply, which should Father permit, must be posted in two parts. Thank you.<br /><br />Part 1.<br /><br />September 2014, A French Islam Scholar Said, “You Have Territories In France Such As Roubaix, Such As Northern Marseille, Where Police Will Not Step Foot.” <br /><br />“Fabrice Balanche, a well-known French Islam scholar who teaches at the University of Lyon, recently told Radio Télévision Suisse: ‘You have territories in France such as Roubaix, such as northern Marseille, where police will not step foot, where the authority of state is completely absent, where mini Islamic states have been formed.’” <br /><br />October 2014, A French Journalist Said, “There Are Places In France Today, Especially In The Suburbs, Where It Is Not Really In France.” “French writer and political journalist Éric Zemmour recently told BFM TV: ‘There are places in France today, especially in the suburbs, where it is not really in France. Salafi Islamists are Islamizing some neighborhoods and some suburbs. In these neighborhoods, it's not France, it's an Islamic republic.’” <br /><br />“The Socialist Mayor Of Amiens, Gilles Demailly, Has Referred To The Fafet-Brossolette District Of The City As A ‘No-Go Zone’ Where ‘You Can No Longer Order A Pizza Or Get A Doctor To Come To The House.’” <br /><br />“Europe 1, One Of The Leading Broadcasters In France, Has Referred To Marseille As A ‘No-Go Zone’ after the government was forced to deploy riot police, known as CRS, to confront warring Muslim gangs in the city. The French Interior Ministry said it was trying to ‘reconquer’ 184 square kilometers (71 square miles) of Marseille that have come under the control of Muslim gangs.” <br /><br />“The French Newspaper Le Figaro Has Referred To Downtown Perpignan As A ‘Veritable No-Go Zone’ where ‘aggression, antisocial behavior, drug trafficking, Muslim communalism, racial tensions and tribal violence’ are forcing non-Muslims to move out.” <br /><br />Mark ThomasMarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53777309580281674882015-05-25T01:50:12.622-04:002015-05-25T01:50:12.622-04:00Jan, I agree that the "Who am I to judge"...Jan, I agree that the "Who am I to judge" horse bolted long ago.<br /><br />I believe, however, in fairness to Pope Francis, that one news media outlet after another misrepresented his remark in question.<br /><br />I realize that His Holiness Pope Francis has a history of issuing remarks that he or Father Lombardi are forced to walk back or "clarify".<br /><br />That is the case with the Pope's "rabbit" remark.<br /><br />I heard a woman recently state that Pope Francis doesn't necessarily favor large families.<br /><br />Pope Francis attempted to walk back his "rabbit" controversy...but it was too late.<br /><br />Finally, I have to disagree with you in regard with the upcoming Synod on the Family.<br /><br />Pope Francis has time and again upheld the Church's teachings on marriage and family.<br /><br />Therefore, I cannot imagine that Pope Francis would permit the Synod to teach contrary to the Church in regard to marriage.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18473566142836550182015-05-24T22:48:16.339-04:002015-05-24T22:48:16.339-04:00Mark:
Your comment at 11:18 a.m. about Muslims an...Mark:<br /><br />Your comment at 11:18 a.m. about Muslims and the Irish referendum almost made me choke on my porridge. I would be interested in your reaction to the following article in The Atlantic earlier this year about fear-mongering over alleged Muslim no-go areas in Europe:<br /><br />http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/paris-mayor-to-sue-fox-over-no-go-zone-comments/384656/<br />Anonymous 2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-19086128379516882232015-05-24T19:45:39.129-04:002015-05-24T19:45:39.129-04:00As I posted on another thread I appreciate your ap...As I posted on another thread I appreciate your approach and there is probably some benefit to it, but I would say it should primarily used in regards to those OUTSIDE the Church. St Paul, in his letters, had some strong and harsh words on this subject and these were addressed to those INSIDE the Church of his time in those areas he preached in. He admonished and warned that those who were attending Christian services, but who at the same time were continuing to participate in their previous lifestyle of engaging in practices which were not compatible with the Faith, including attending and participating in rituals and services at the pagan temples, would not inherit the Kingdom of God . Today we increasingly see Catholics (as in Ireland) supporting things which are not compatible with the Catholic faith. One wonders how much good St Paul's approach would have achieved in modern day Ireland. We'll never know. We have to recognize and acknowledge though, as we see evidenced across the Atlantic, that we have a big <br />problem inside the Church itself. <br /><br />This reminds me of a quote from GK Chesterton which could certainly be applied to our own times(and yes, there is more than one way to read it):<br /><br />“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has (too often) been found difficult and left untried.”Georgenoreply@blogger.com