tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post6750037828748732117..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: DANGER OF INFECTION FROM COMMON COMMUNION CHALICES--AN UNDERESTIMATED RISK?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13178733075781171902016-04-18T08:34:27.437-04:002016-04-18T08:34:27.437-04:00As I sit here with the flu I have to wonder if the...As I sit here with the flu I have to wonder if the communal cup was the culprit. Also as a person who suffers from celiacs, I really do not have another choice. I am way too sensitive to wheat to even take the low gluten wafers. Why can't we take the wine in individual cups? I can't see how it changes the fact that it is the blood of Christ. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41004656167182638722012-08-03T19:59:52.448-04:002012-08-03T19:59:52.448-04:00Right, Gene, except that the argument should be ta...Right, Gene, except that the argument should be taken a step further. The goal was to undermine the concept of the Real Presence. If not only a priest, but any layman, can take the Host and the Chalice in his own hand at will, then not only the Real Presence but also the concept of a Priesthood set apart by ordination is undercut. The evidence is in the result that only a minority of Catholics retain the traditional belief.<br /><br />It might be a step too far to say this was the specific goal of the bishops themselves, but it was pretty clearly the goal of the liturgical establishment--whose stature in the liturgy (at the expense of priests) as the special character of priests is diminished--that put these actions before the bishops, to largely be rubber-stamped. As most of the actions of the bishops conference are foisted upon them by their lay bureaucracy. In that the bureaucracy largely sets the agenda to which the bishops themselves only react. I've personally have heard a well-known bishop say that the bishops can do little more to stop these actions than a layman like you or me.Henry Edwardsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83396039784892556692012-08-03T16:01:30.962-04:002012-08-03T16:01:30.962-04:00John, I think the lib bishops knew exactly what th...John, I think the lib bishops knew exactly what they were doing. Communion in both kinds involves the laity on more levels (EMHC's, for instance) and emphasizes the meal aspect more. I think it is all part and parcel of the progressivist/egalitarian mind set.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24746677546815382032012-08-03T13:28:07.446-04:002012-08-03T13:28:07.446-04:00The Council of Trent was right in denying the Chal...The Council of Trent was right in denying the Chalice to the laity since protestants insisted that Communion was incomplete without it. Vatican II was right in saying that it could be restored in certain circumstances since no Catholics now believed that Communion in one kind was invalid (for the laity). Step forward the liberal bishops of UK and USA who petition Rome for a universal offering of the Chalice (for pastoral reasons of course). Result? A generation of Catholics who think Communion has to be in both kinds.<br /><br />Until very recently, it would appear that the Church on both sides of the Atlantic has been in the hands of men who are naive, or stupid, or both.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-15603389591160573932012-08-03T12:43:18.089-04:002012-08-03T12:43:18.089-04:00Speaking of infection risks, can we PLEASE then ab...Speaking of infection risks, can we PLEASE then abolish the practices of holding hands during the praying of the Our Father (my family and I don't) and the hand-shaking for "Peace be with you"??!! It is well established that hands are the primary route of passing infections--at least in healthcare settings. My $0.02<br />NeilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20678254850031488802012-08-03T09:23:15.796-04:002012-08-03T09:23:15.796-04:00I understand the liturgical value of at least some...I understand the liturgical value of at least some of the congregations receiving from the chalice on occasion, by one means or another, but I do not understand why individual communicants make such a big deal about them personally receiving under both Kinds at every Mass. I suspect a sort of "spiritual infection" worse than the natural kind that is contaminating their understanding of the True Presence.Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-62940709918032939622012-08-03T09:19:19.167-04:002012-08-03T09:19:19.167-04:00There's also a certain amount of "backwas...There's also a certain amount of "backwash" of saliva flowing into the chalice which, towards the bottom of the chalice, can invalidate the sacrament for the last persons to receive it.Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-29302805467998098232012-08-03T07:26:29.232-04:002012-08-03T07:26:29.232-04:00Yes, this is required by someone and if no EM want...Yes, this is required by someone and if no EM wants to do it, then the deacon must under penalty of pastor's excommunication! :)Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85328734280498966862012-08-03T07:24:53.335-04:002012-08-03T07:24:53.335-04:00Is it still required for an Extraordinary Minister...Is it still required for an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion to finish the chalice if there is any left over? I hated that part.qwiknesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439450727837308035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-86199051215510166182012-08-03T06:46:54.862-04:002012-08-03T06:46:54.862-04:00Wait, wait! Pater Ignotus, M.D. has to has to come...Wait, wait! Pater Ignotus, M.D. has to has to come swaggering in with his expert medical observations regarding disease transmission and epidemiology. I wait with bated, Listerine scented breath.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4686925592722695172012-08-02T17:19:15.828-04:002012-08-02T17:19:15.828-04:00This is the primary reason I decline the chalice. ...This is the primary reason I decline the chalice. Right now we are in a pertussis "epidemic" (per the health dept), so another good reason to decline - one of the EMHCs this past Sunday was coughing and he still drank from the chalice. Of course, the priest wandered around the church shaking hands, so germs could easily be spread this way as well, especially since he does not wash his hands in the sacristy prior to Mass. OK, now I'm thinking spiritual communion is a better and better idea :-)!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-7457236546376363492012-08-02T13:05:22.403-04:002012-08-02T13:05:22.403-04:00Thank you for Intinction at 3 out of 5 of your par...Thank you for Intinction at 3 out of 5 of your parish's weekend Masses.<br />I hope it doesn't go away when summer is over.<br /><br />~SLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60440087514427661662012-08-02T12:07:26.241-04:002012-08-02T12:07:26.241-04:00From the Baltimore Catechism:
"When Our Lord...From the <em>Baltimore Catechism:</em><br /><br />"When Our Lord said, 'This is My body,' the entire substance of the bread was changed into His body; and when He said, "This is My blood," the entire substance of the wine was changed into His blood. <br /><br />"(a) Christ could not have used clearer, more explicit words than "This is My body." He did not say, "This is a sign of My body," or "This represents My body," but, "This is My body." Catholics take Christ at His word because He is the omnipotent God. On His word they know that the Holy Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ." <br /><br />Somehow we have forgotten that the Body AND Blood of Christ are both present in the Host. Which makes receiving under both species for the laity unnecessary. Personally, I tremble to think of even taking the Sacred Chalice in my profane hands. Perhaps those who came before us had more wisdom than we give them credit for.Robert Kumpelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10567786012498143419noreply@blogger.com