tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post6400512893420712195..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: THIS IS CERTAINLY VERY POSITIVE AND HOPEFULFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-53304984317150685492018-04-19T20:53:04.139-04:002018-04-19T20:53:04.139-04:00What events lead to correlating dialogue and viole...What events lead to correlating dialogue and violence?<br /><br />The ecumenical movement may not have stopped inter- European wars. Neither has interreligious dialogue caused them or greater violence.Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83863366066263733722018-04-19T13:42:48.624-04:002018-04-19T13:42:48.624-04:00The correlation is noted by observing the events o...The correlation is noted by observing the events of the 20th century. As for causality, I'm not sure one could prove a direct causation. But as I mentioned, neither can one prove that religious dialogue has led to a decrease in global violence. <br /><br />Why would more knowledge of the other lead to greater dislike? It is certainly conceivable that the more one learns about something, the more one detests it. Perhaps the surface is palatable, while the details are not. <br /><br />It could be argued that Europeans have become more engaged with one another. That is probably the result of the advancement of perceived collective economic interest. I would note that the engagement has increased and inter-European wars are way down because no longer are there wars where Catholics are fighting Protestants, which is the main reason for many historical wars or at least served as a cover for politically-motivated wars. The ecumenical movement didn't stop inter-European wars.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-80983127334506619772018-04-19T12:39:42.816-04:002018-04-19T12:39:42.816-04:00..."the movement toward religious dialogue ha......"the movement toward religious dialogue has been correlated with greater and more severe violence on a global scale for over a century."<br /><br />Where is this correlation noted? Is it simply correlation, or does causality enter in?<br /><br /><br />"It seems that more knowledge of “other” might lead to more dislike..." Why? It could be argued that as Europeans have become more engaged with one another, inter-European wars are way down, no?<br /> Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68404942427820089252018-04-19T11:23:10.827-04:002018-04-19T11:23:10.827-04:00If your goals are the same as those in the quotes ...If your goals are the same as those in the quotes you gave, it seems this dialogue is a tremendous failure. In fact, it would seem that, far from leading to greater peace in the world, the movement toward religious dialogue has been correlated with greater and more severe violence on a global scale for over a century. <br /><br />That is probably because the premise on which it relies is unproven: namely, that knowledge of the “other” somehow results in less dislike. It seems that more knowledge of “other” might lead to more dislike, actually. At any rate, both are equally likely and neither can be proved. That tends to render your dialogue merely academic since it’s practical upshot isn’t tangible (and reality tends to show the opposite). Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8676434036330609642018-04-19T11:13:18.042-04:002018-04-19T11:13:18.042-04:00See above. It is not an end in itself.See above. It is not an end in itself.Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-54137698804480113442018-04-19T09:18:05.731-04:002018-04-19T09:18:05.731-04:00I understand the point of religious dialogue as an...I understand the point of religious dialogue as an academic exercise -- and that is to some degree an end in itself. But I get the impression you see this dialogue as having some greater purpose than that. Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-89338555586910600752018-04-19T08:06:51.762-04:002018-04-19T08:06:51.762-04:00When "priests like me" offer the same th...When "priests like me" offer the same that the Church offers, in this case interreligious dialogue, then we know that, despite angry nay-sayers like you, we are doing the right thing. Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23530810528383209832018-04-18T20:35:57.859-04:002018-04-18T20:35:57.859-04:00Kavanaugh, when Catholics lack a basic understandi...Kavanaugh, when Catholics lack a basic understanding of the faith, there is nothing to dialogue about. The Catholic Church should be putting its own house in order before engaging in "dialogue." Priests like you offer nothing but the same tired crap that was taught in the 1960s and 1970s. No wonder the pews are empty. TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-43254232247186615182018-04-18T18:20:32.842-04:002018-04-18T18:20:32.842-04:00Interreligious dialogue does not presuppose that t...Interreligious dialogue does not presuppose that those involved do not consider the faith to which they belong to be the one revealed by God. I am a Catholic because I believe that Catholicism is the Faith inn which the fullness of God's REVELATION is to be found.<br /><br />It is a fact that many world religions share, to varying degrees, in the Truth revealed by God. No one faith has an absolute monopoly if, by that is meant, that everything every other faith teaches is utterly false and opposed to Divine REVELATION.<br /><br />It is the commonalities, to whatever degree, that are the foundations for dialogue.Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-61563255382660152682018-04-18T17:34:00.922-04:002018-04-18T17:34:00.922-04:00I'll set aside my usual polemics for this post...I'll set aside my usual polemics for this post to state my actual opinion: The problem with religious dialogue is that the various religions posit divergent and irreconcilable positions on any number of topics. In the present age, wherein people have basically unfettered access to information, I would suggest that necessarily leads to indifference and agnosticism. In other words, people can become paralyzed by the panoply of religious choice on offer, making it impossible to determine which, if any, of these possible choices is actually true.<br /><br />In such a situation, I would suggest that it is actually a positive characteristic for a religion to assert itself as singularly true. In that connection, I think this is one part of the explanation for the rise of adherence to Islam. <br /><br />As a Mormon friend of mine put it succinctly: Who would want to belong to a religion that didn't claim to be The Truth? Or, as I would say it: If you're religion doesn't claim a monopoly on truth, you might as well be atheist or agnostic. Perhaps that is my conclusion since I was raised in an agnostic/atheist household. But this is merely a variation on a theme better described by Dostoyevsky, although he raised the argument to prove the opposite point.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-58998496466013307552018-04-18T17:16:23.542-04:002018-04-18T17:16:23.542-04:00Thomas Michel, SJ, writes on interreligious dialog...Thomas Michel, SJ, writes on interreligious dialogue: http://groups.creighton.edu/sjdialogue/documents/articles/michel_developments.htmFr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56858064025946825692018-04-18T17:15:04.620-04:002018-04-18T17:15:04.620-04:00Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, one of my teachers,...Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, one of my teachers, wrote: "Perhaps here too one could speak about something that is multifaceted. There is not just one purpose of dialogue but rather a number of aims. There is first the aim of helping people of different religions to live together in peace and harmony. This is a task which is ever more urgent in a world becoming increasingly multicultural and multireligious. It is a task which implies, as we know, overcoming prejudices, battling against indifference, creating understanding. This first level of dialogue should not be lightly dismissed. Can it not be taken as an anticipation of that peace which we know will reign in the next world? It is therefore already a way of bringing about God's kingdom." <br /><br />The whole article: https://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/research_sites/cjl/texts/cjrelations/resources/articles/fitzgerald_Oct03.htmFr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30515547143237394192018-04-18T17:13:37.098-04:002018-04-18T17:13:37.098-04:00Kavanaugh,
Interfaith dialogue is difficult when ...Kavanaugh,<br /><br />Interfaith dialogue is difficult when priests like you have trained a generation or two of religious illiterates. When Catholics don't know their own faith, what's the point other than fuzzy good feelings. This interfaith dialogue is a distraction for lazy clericsTJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34661828259507807472018-04-18T17:10:32.715-04:002018-04-18T17:10:32.715-04:00Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, one of my teachers,...Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, one of my teachers, wrote: "Perhaps here too one could speak about something that is multifaceted. There is not just one purpose of dialogue but rather a number of aims. There is first the aim of helping people of different religions to live together in peace and harmony. This is a task which is ever more urgent in a world becoming increasingly multicultural and multireligious. It is a task which implies, as we know, overcoming prejudices, battling against indifference, creating understanding. This first level of dialogue should not be lightly dismissed. Can it not be taken as an anticipation of that peace which we know will reign in the next world? It is therefore already a way of bringing about God's kingdom." <br /><br />The whole article: https://www.bc.edu/content/dam/files/research_sites/cjl/texts/cjrelations/resources/articles/fitzgerald_Oct03.htmFr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-44872559943728672072018-04-18T17:07:18.358-04:002018-04-18T17:07:18.358-04:00Cardinal Tauran on the good of interreligious dial...Cardinal Tauran on the good of interreligious dialogue:<br /><br />http://www.pcinterreligious.org/interreligious-dialogue---source-of-harmony-unity-and-the-good-of-society_178.htmlFr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-15387794171166979202018-04-18T17:04:47.789-04:002018-04-18T17:04:47.789-04:00Pope Benedict spoke of the good of interreligious ...Pope Benedict spoke of the good of interreligious dialogue:<br /><br />https://www.archbalt.org/society-benefits-from-tolerance-interreligious-dialogue-pope-says/Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70774801240671868472018-04-18T17:02:40.160-04:002018-04-18T17:02:40.160-04:00Henry, you might consider the following item from ...Henry, you might consider the following item from the NCRegister: <br /><br />Interreligious Dialogue Benefits the Common Good and the Formation of Young People<br /><br />http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jpshimek/interreligious-dialogue-benefits-the-common-good-and-the-formation-of-youngFr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14389425817852839302018-04-18T16:51:31.701-04:002018-04-18T16:51:31.701-04:00Henry,
Bingo!Henry,<br /><br />Bingo!TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-79502683312105083582018-04-18T16:12:21.241-04:002018-04-18T16:12:21.241-04:00Two unrelated comments:
1. I see "Catholic m...Two unrelated comments:<br /><br />1. I see "Catholic mission" doesn't just spam my blog. I delete him every time.<br /><br />2. It seems to me the thing to celebrate in the Cardinal's visit to Saudi Arabia is that it may betoken more freedom of worship for Christians there. The Cardinal is hardly giving anything away: Muslims already enjoy freedom of worship in Christian countries. Maybe you think they shouldn't, but in the main, they already do, and the prospects of that changing anytime soon -- at least at the Church's initiative -- are pretty poor. So if the Church can, via diplomacy, bring some spiritual succor to the long suffering Christians in Arabia, wonderful!Fr Martin Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01375628123126091747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48352005358274238492018-04-18T14:39:45.053-04:002018-04-18T14:39:45.053-04:00If Fr. K could have come up with an example of goo...If Fr. K could have come up with an example of good fruit from "interreligious dialogue" in the sense of the post-Vatican II "ecumenism" that I infer he's somewhat into, he obviously would have done so by now.<br /><br />I didn't think he could. So why not conclude it's all been just an expensive and misguided waste of flannel-mouthed time that ignores our Christian mission to convert those outside the fold of the one true Church of Christ, not to "dialogue" (ugh!) with the poor unfortunates?Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12780755069760197497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48494001471069063392018-04-18T13:25:23.313-04:002018-04-18T13:25:23.313-04:00Sorry, I offered and made no comparisons. Henry s...Sorry, I offered and made no comparisons. Henry said "Ugh," I said not, and here are examples.<br /><br />The evolution from Mortalium Animos to Unitatis Redentigratio is the example you seek.Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-14883393102016277812018-04-18T12:56:08.489-04:002018-04-18T12:56:08.489-04:00Kavanaugh,
It is odious that you are not implemen...Kavanaugh,<br /><br />It is odious that you are not implementing SC in your parish. Thanks for sharing.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-64975390971084423242018-04-18T12:37:24.979-04:002018-04-18T12:37:24.979-04:00Kavanaugh, Do you remember when you were the one w...Kavanaugh, Do you remember when you were the one who suggested comparisons? It happened when you posted at 8:56. Amazingly, it took just over an hour for you to reject your own argument. <br /><br />Help me out here: Is that an example of development or evolution?Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13510317669833026685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-5436877024681337952018-04-18T11:44:49.938-04:002018-04-18T11:44:49.938-04:00Odious Odious Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63811237963585882172018-04-18T11:08:03.105-04:002018-04-18T11:08:03.105-04:00Marc,
Notice how Kavanaugh always dodges the ques...Marc,<br /><br />Notice how Kavanaugh always dodges the question if he is faithfully implementing SC at his parish? TJMnoreply@blogger.com