tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post6191328319931359031..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: ONE YEAR AGO TOMORROW!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88034698083977793932014-03-27T15:33:15.570-04:002014-03-27T15:33:15.570-04:00It has like all kinds of other source games, so if...It has like all kinds of other source games, so if you take <br />pleasure in them, you'll likely enjoy Failure, along with <br />it is many happy easter. It supports the special function keys for quick dual-hand and multimedia operation.<br />Also, you may want to upgrade to the latest version of Direct - X <br />that is available for Windows Server 2003.<br /><br />my blog :: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afq_kMvXNiU" rel="nofollow">doom 3</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-37962254933243535002014-03-15T19:25:22.616-04:002014-03-15T19:25:22.616-04:00Jan, in which diocese do you live? No priest has e...Jan, in which diocese do you live? No priest has ever needed the permission of his bishop to celebrate the Novus Ordo in Latin; in fact any Mass may be in Latin unless it has been specifically scheduled as a vernacular Mass. Of course, if a diocesan priest refused point-blank to say any of his Masses in English, then the bishop might well intervene.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-58520102283158593322014-03-14T06:59:17.068-04:002014-03-14T06:59:17.068-04:00I don't know the dynamics between ultra conser...I don't know the dynamics between ultra conservative Catholics in Argentina and the ruling class, especially its dictators, I really wonder about that and the link and thus Pope Francis' antipathy toward right wingers in the Church. He has had very negative experiences with them and their pickled peppered faces I suspect.<br /><br />But I have personally witnessed Pope Francis celebrate the OF Mass entirely in Latin and on several occasions and he has celebrated the OF Mass at least twice ad orientem. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59304383367846909992014-03-14T05:52:08.591-04:002014-03-14T05:52:08.591-04:00Father, from what I have read Cardinal Bergoglio a...Father, from what I have read Cardinal Bergoglio actually got on well with the SSPX in Argentina. <br /><br />The FSSP are a legitimate order in the Church. Antonio Lara also writes that Cardinal Bergoglio refused to allow the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin or ad orientem. So that means you would have had problems celebrating Mass that way in Argentina, Father. <br /><br />Living in a diocese myself where the Bishop refuses to grant permission for the Latin Mass either the OF or EF or to allow the OF said ad orientem and the young priests who have done so have been treated very harshly, I can well understand Antonio Lara writing in the way that he does.<br /><br />This is the point that everyone is making - Pope Francis preaches love and charity. The problem is he is not extending that to everyone in the Church. This is the same with the bishop in my diocese. Everything and anything is tolerated except the Latin Mass. I don't belong to the SSPX but I know this bishop has treated members of the SSPX better than faithful Catholics. This has been the theme in the Second Vatican Council - no charity that I can see - all lip service. The most uncharitable priests I have met, unfortunately, are those priests now in their 60s and 70s - except for one or two who themselves were kicked out when they refused to conform to the innovations - ten years will see them out and then the Church will be rebuilt because the majority of our young priests have the Faith, whereas I have doubts about my bishops and most of that vintage of priests who spent their time on the golf course and did nothing pastoral - no catechesis. <br /><br />Before the Church can begin to evangelise she needs to mend the wounds in the Church first. They go very deep, otherwise what is being practised is a false charity and a complete and utter sham. It has been a most horrible 40 years to have been a Catholic and I and others have felt a complete alien in the Church all these years. But for the fact that I was taught the faith by good priests and nuns I would have left long ago. To be honest I find more charity and belief in protestants - at least they haven't embraced wicca, New Age and all those new fangled things that you can come across in any Catholic church these days.<br /><br />I completely endorse Fr Hunwicke's comments.<br /><br />And I do believe that the Church is headed for schism if Pope Francis continues in the manner he is going. As it is many of us are hanging on by the skin of our teeth.<br /><br />Jan<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85969119365292034922014-03-13T17:53:03.222-04:002014-03-13T17:53:03.222-04:00I guess we can assume from his posts that Ignotus ...I guess we can assume from his posts that Ignotus has both front feet in the liberal trough…LOL!Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-16825231341143360002014-03-13T17:45:23.284-04:002014-03-13T17:45:23.284-04:00Ignotus, I am flattered that you keep such close t...Ignotus, I am flattered that you keep such close track of my posts. My conservative politics have nothing to do with my Catholic faith. <br />Anyway, I guess i'll go back to that little apartment you keep for me in your head…LOL!Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-64193280390023542692014-03-13T17:45:07.624-04:002014-03-13T17:45:07.624-04:00Val - Most of the Tea People I have heard are radi...Val - Most of the Tea People I have heard are radically right-wing. They're generally woefully in-informed, especially as concerns American history, science, and Catholic Social Teaching.<br /><br />Sure there are other right-wingers out there, but, as far as I know, they're not posting on this blog.Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41300060423219660602014-03-13T16:18:57.943-04:002014-03-13T16:18:57.943-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Valentinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15717865207152965413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-81953482997242625942014-03-13T15:59:43.287-04:002014-03-13T15:59:43.287-04:00Pin/Gene - No matter what answer I might give to ...Pin/Gene - No matter what answer I might give to any question asked, you would never accept it or regard my answer as truthful. And that is because unless people agree with you and never question you or correct you, you perceive them as enemies. <br /><br />The "concept and principle" involved in my refusal is your incompetence to judge the Faith of any priest as being (or not being) in accord the Faith of the Church. The only person competent to do that is our diocesan bishop. And, as you know, I have that approval. <br /><br />I have no doubt that we will again hear your boastful commentary on how bishops can't be trusted - but you, with your Protestant doctrinal education, can be - to know what is and is not the Catholic Faith. <br /><br />Yes, your politics are radically right-wing. You repeat the same tired Tea Party bilge such as, "All he (Obama) can do is use executive orders and ham-fisted methods. This is not even mentioning that foreign governments consider him a laughing stock. Obama has no foreign policy other than bowing and scraping before other national leaders." <br /><br />Then, to add your own racist slant, you add, "It really is reminiscent of the old shuck and jive acts."<br /><br />Further, "I will not pray for that man. I wonder how many Catholics will still vote for him...anyone who does vote for him is an enemy of the Church and the country. My only prayer for them is that their suffering is proportionate to their sin. Literally, to Hell with them."<br /><br />Are your politics right-wing? Yep.<br /><br /><br />Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-9707263836193503352014-03-13T15:10:35.863-04:002014-03-13T15:10:35.863-04:00Well, Ignotus, you refused to confess that you bel...Well, Ignotus, you refused to confess that you believed in the Real Presence and the bodily resurrection when asked by another blogger, saying it was a trap and beneath you to answer. Would that come under "concept and principle?"<br /><br />I don't know where you get the idea that my Catholic faith has anything to do with "right wing politics." That is just another of your stereotypes and dismissive taunts.<br />Now, just how would my Catholic faith make me feel superior to others? Given the antics of the current Pope, it actually causes me to feel a bit sheepish around others, especially my former Calvinist colleagues and friends who are right there with the old "I told ya' so."<br />As far as you being a liar and apostate, those things are givens in my estimation. Perhaps you are a good Priest to those of your ilk who seek you out or to those who know no better...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-52289667587586244452014-03-13T14:13:10.133-04:002014-03-13T14:13:10.133-04:00Pin/Gene - If I ever said that I "support and...Pin/Gene - If I ever said that I "support and defend" some aspect of Catholic teaching "as a concept and principle" you would have gone ballistic, accusing me of being a liar, being a terrible priest, being an apostate, etc etc etc.<br /><br />You adhere to the Catholic faith only when it suits your preconceived notions of right-wing politics, when it satisfies your personal taste, or when it makes you feel superior to others.<br /><br />I am not outraged. I am glad, though, that your true colors are being revealed.Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25203257072075549572014-03-13T13:16:57.187-04:002014-03-13T13:16:57.187-04:00Oh, listen to old Ignotus get outraged. What a lau...Oh, listen to old Ignotus get outraged. What a laugh...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59022946387299662322014-03-13T11:34:49.266-04:002014-03-13T11:34:49.266-04:00Henry, God bless you for that last comment (@9:40 ...Henry, God bless you for that last comment (@9:40 AM).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34214279094310170882014-03-13T10:26:27.085-04:002014-03-13T10:26:27.085-04:00"We support and defend the Papacy as a concep..."We support and defend the Papacy as a concept and a principle. However..." What complete and utter rot.<br /><br />Why not "We support and defend the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus as a concept and a principle. However..." or "We support and defend the concept of Transubstantiation as a concept and a principle. However..." or "We support and defend the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary as a concept and a principle. However..."?<br /><br />Faith is not a "concept and a principle." At that level it is nothing more than an academic game or a topic for a debating society.<br /><br />Faith is lived - and in the Catholic Church, part of living that faith is not taking upon oneself, no matter how well-versed one is in Protestant theology, the position of passing judgment on bishops. <br /><br />And just who are the "We" you presume to speak for? Did they take a vote and choose you as leader and mouthpiece?<br /><br />There are millions of devout, committed Catholics around the world who do not share your shock and horror. In any case, much of this shock and horror is self-inflicted and has little to do with Pope Francis.<br /><br /> <br />Pater Ignotusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-364671979059006952014-03-13T10:23:18.016-04:002014-03-13T10:23:18.016-04:00Let me commend to all here what Fr. Hunwicke, so i...Let me commend to all here what Fr. Hunwicke, so incomparably erudite and eloquently expressive on all things, says at his Mutual Enrichment blog today:<br /><br />"Now we have a Bishop of Rome who is less consummate a theologian, and is a man naturally given to coarse and combative expression. And, despite the journalists and the spin-doctors, he is in fact very distinctly less humble than his predecessor. This does not make him any less estimable as a Sovereign Pontiff . . . . . It does not in any way diminish the fulness of the Magisterium which he possesses. But Things have Consequences. <b>When a man expresses himself with a knock-about vulgarity, even if that man is the Vicar of S Peter, it seems to me that the structure of the exchange makes it congruous for people to respond to him in the way invited by his own chosen style of dialogue.</b> . . . . Even if you are a pope, you must expect to get what you ask for."<br /><br />"We need to clear out of the way the fawning superstition that faithful, obedient Catholics, episcopal, clerical, and lay, are supposed to regard the bishop of Rome as some sort of god-like superman who never makes mistakes and is above criticism . . . . It would be a pity, and a waste, if Francis were to be remembered only for his Spanish slang, his media gaffes, and his rather mannered public displays of 'humility'. <i>Viva il Papa!</i>"<br /><br />http://liturgicalnotes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/how-to-read-him-and-how-to-write-him.html<br /><br />Fr. Hunwicke says much more. Surely it has not been said better.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51984910437522351262014-03-13T09:40:23.315-04:002014-03-13T09:40:23.315-04:00Fr. McDonald, I don't know how to have or feel...Fr. McDonald, I don't know how to have or feel more personal loyalty to the Papacy as the vicar of Christ and the necessary bond of unity in the Church. Perhaps one index of such loyalty is a concern with perceived unworthy behavior by any pope, both because of it can weaken the faith and unity of the Church. and because in itself it seems to betray a lack of respect for the Office on his part. To defend such behavior would betray a lack of respect on my own part.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-18505023031215122712014-03-13T07:28:32.200-04:002014-03-13T07:28:32.200-04:00Certainly, FR, we support and defend the Papacy as...Certainly, FR, we support and defend the Papacy as a concept and principle. However, we see how one weak or wayward Pope can shake the faith of many and raise serious questions in others. <br />Those of us with theological backgrounds can (most often) separate the True Faith and its dogma and doctrine from the vagaries of time, place, and person…many of the flock cannot. Even so, such shenanigans on the part of a Pope disturb devout Catholics whether doctrinally educated or not. Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57483252869090106982014-03-13T07:20:09.224-04:002014-03-13T07:20:09.224-04:00Gene, I am doing what any good Catholic should do,...Gene, I am doing what any good Catholic should do, whether we be clergy, religious or laity. I learned that from the Baltimore Catechisms. It really is basic to Catholicism and it certainly isn't Protestant or schismatic. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51552505834350638332014-03-13T07:16:35.797-04:002014-03-13T07:16:35.797-04:00Fr, the good news is that you don't need to go...Fr, the good news is that you don't need to go to the gym anymore. You get all the exercise you need stretching, reaching, and bending over backwards defending this Pope. I dare say that you have attained olympian status by your efforts.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8675760436245811372014-03-13T07:12:42.580-04:002014-03-13T07:12:42.580-04:00In my weaker moments, I often wonder if Luther and...In my weaker moments, I often wonder if Luther and Calvin are looking over the precipice of Glory shaking their heads and saying, "We told you so!" Christ have mercy!Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-67450023650480422042014-03-13T07:10:11.172-04:002014-03-13T07:10:11.172-04:00Antonio, I do not know the religious culture of Ar...Antonio, I do not know the religious culture of Argentina but I suspect it is a melting pot of culture and the Italian heritage is strong there as well as the Spanish and also indigenous. <br /><br />What I do know is that in South America in general and Argentina in particular there are radical factions, ultra left and ultra right, both religiously and politically speaking. I also know that the Hierarchy in many South American countries sided with the ruling class, the rich which is much more stratified there than here, the proportion of poor to rich and in the extremes. The USA has always had a very strong middle class with some rich and some poor but not as extreme as in South America.<br />There has also been a clear delineation of Church and State and no national religion other than secularism.<br />From what I can tell the extreme group in the Church that gave Cardinal Bergoglio the most difficult time were the ultra-conservatives, usually rather affluent and maybe aligned with the dictatorships there. <br />The most abysmal behavior I have ever seen in a Catholic Cathedral happened in Bergoglio's former Cathedral when at an interfaith Service remembering the Holocaust ultra conservatives and right wing Catholics, perhaps schismatics, interrupted the service, took over the microphone and yelled and screen and mocked the Blessed Virgin Mary by praying the Rosary in protest and in a riotous way.<br />If I experienced that from the right wing of the Church, I'd do what Pope Francis is doing too! <br />There are right wing Catholics, sometimes schismatics who reject Vatican II's call for ecumenism, interfaith dialogue and dialogue with the world as well as religious liberty, not to mention, liturgical reform. They are on the fringe in rejecting the Magisterium of an Ecumenical Council, not Pope Francis.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-85376307441419481562014-03-13T07:02:55.133-04:002014-03-13T07:02:55.133-04:00Father, if the Pope wants to include sinners in th...Father, if the Pope wants to include sinners in the Church, doesn't that then extend to "sour pusses"?<br /><br />With respect, the Faith has always been pretty weak among Italians. Very few have followed the moral teaching of the Church - although they are not alone in that. The backlash against the Church and anti-clericalism is purely and simply because the ordinary Catholic in the pew wants the Church to accept their immoral lives. Lack of catechesis since the Second Vatican Council is what is to blame. These Catholics are enamoured with Pope Francis, simply because they think he is going to relax the Church's moral teachings.<br /><br />Jan Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-40005690789075012892014-03-13T06:19:41.548-04:002014-03-13T06:19:41.548-04:00No, Father, I mean divisive in the sense that he i...No, Father, I mean divisive in the sense that he is singling out different groups in the Church and bashing them. There are ways of saying things, and to be honest I have even wondered if the Pope has a mental problem. I just cannot believe some of the things that have come out of his mouth, especially when I compare the beautiful sermons of Pope John Paul the Great and Pope Benedict, Pope Paul VI and Bl Pope John.<br /><br />I read the following comment from an Argentinian on several blogs in the first weeks of Pope Francis' papacy. I thought at the time it had the ring of truth the way it was phrased but I was prepared to wait and see. Regretfully, I feel Pope Francis has confirmed a lot of what this man says. I think there is much more to come and we had better fasten our seat belts. This is what the man from Argentina had to say:<br /><br />"While it is correct to give Francis some time to act, please do not fool yourselves.<br />I am Argentine, I live in Buenos Aires since I was born. I am 40 years old, father to four kids. I helped and hosted priests from the FSSP and the Institute of the Good Sheperd when they visited Buenos Aires. None of them was granted a single minute with Bergolgio. We visited a dozen churchs in the City, begging the priest in charge to allow the visitors to say the Mass. By direct order of Benedict, it was impossible. Only one priest allowed a Mass, and immediatley received a phone call from Bergoglio in person, who insulted in the most vulgar terms. I know this because that poor priest is a dear friend of mine.<br /><br />Bergolio is a vulgar man, badly mannered, who shows a falsa attitude of dialogue and humility, but inside (when the doors are shut) he is tiranic and violent with everyone daring to secondguess him.<br /><br />Bergoglio publicly defended Bishop Maccarone, after it was revealed that he had contranatura realtionships with a taxi driver (a video was available). Another extraordinary priest of Buenos Aires (Mons. Gustavo Podestá) dared to critize in his sermon "those who defend the indefensible" and within 24 hs was sacked by Bergoglio and sent home for ever (his flock in tears). Mons. Podestá even published in the parochial web page that "Mons. Bergoglio requested my resignation with great charity accepted it by telephone".<br /><br />I could tell a lot more. Church in Argentina is a mock of the true Church, as regards liturgy, doctrine and public defense of pro-life agenda. And this is to thank to our new Pope.<br /><br />I think that the cardinals were utterly unaware of the true nature and records of Bergoglio. A wwell devised trapp was set; it appears that Abril y Castelló collected the votes. This cardinal is also well known in Argentina since he was a Nuncio here, and was responsible for many horrendous nominations of modernist Bishops.<br /><br />Believe it looks awfully bad. This has to be, nevertheless, contemplated in the Divine Plan. Perhaps a chastisemen for the world and the Church.<br /><br />Kind regards,<br /><br />Antonio Lara<br />16 March, 2013 16:25"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46718227507723773432014-03-13T05:30:48.846-04:002014-03-13T05:30:48.846-04:00Popes have a tendency to be divisive for some. Pop...Popes have a tendency to be divisive for some. Pope Benedict certainly created division between himself and the more liberal or progressive side of the Church, especially academia. <br /><br />Pope Francis emphasizes a new pastoral approach for the Vatican (not new on the grassroots level, I might observe). This is resonating very well in Europe where priests are far more clerical and aloof than here in the United States and far more distant from their congregations. <br /><br />Pope John Paul II told priests in Europe, early on in his papacy to get out of the sacristy. To go to the people and he modeled that type of activism. <br /><br />What Pope Francis decries is a kind of nobility in the clergy that disconnects them from the flock, where they don't know the flock except in an academic sort of way and the ministry is marginalized simply to an Old Testament concept of priesthood, where one doesn't get dirty but only touches that which is clean. <br /><br />I don't think it was this way in the Catholic Church of the USA even prior to Vatican II. Priests were more accessible than in Europe with its tradition of monarchy applied to the Church.Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-48391255194896817742014-03-13T05:11:26.500-04:002014-03-13T05:11:26.500-04:00Father, I think that Pope Francis with his comment...Father, I think that Pope Francis with his comments is the most divisive person in the Church and, unfortunately, you seem to be adopting the same style. I totally agree with what Anonymous says that the message I have got from Francis' papacy so far has just been totally negative towards good Catholics, priests and nuns. I have read that he was apparently known for this manner and language in Argentina.<br /><br />Unfortunately, you seem to be adopting the same style as Francis. In every group there are those who are extreme and you shouldn't be labeling one group of people in the same manner that Francis does. My take on him is that he is nothing whatsoever like his namesake St Francis.<br /><br />I have defended every Pope since the Council. Except for his defence of the poor there is very little I can find to defend Pope Francis over. My take on Pope Francis is he is negative. He and you, Father, need to remember that you are priests first and foremost to all Catholic people, not a select few whether poor or otherwise. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com