tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post6154731538281162786..comments2024-03-28T11:36:20.629-04:00Comments on southern orders: BISHOP ELECT STEPHEN PARKES’ BROTHER, BISHOP GREGORY PARKES FRIENDLY TO EXTRAORDINARY TRADITIONFr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-72198523955318156072020-07-09T15:51:35.485-04:002020-07-09T15:51:35.485-04:00The traditional order is Baptism, Confirmation, Ho...The traditional order is Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Eaucharist, Penance, Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders, Matrimony. <br /><br />Confirmation has been called "a sacrament in search of a theology."<br /><br />By separating it from the other two sacraments of initiation, we've created a vacuum which, as it is said, nature abhors.<br /><br />As a result we've tried to make Confirmation things it is not. It is not 1) becoming an adult, 2) choosing to believe, 3) making us 'soliers for Christ', 4) a parallel to Bar/Bat Mitzvah, or the worst, 5) a carrot to dangle in front of teenagers and their parents to keep the kinds in religious education.<br /><br />If the ancient order - Baptism then Confirmation (Chrismation) then Holy Eucharist - is restored, and if the ancient understanding of each sacrament as an essential part of initiation into Christ and the Church is renewed, we'll be better off.<br /><br />The personal recollection: my mother was confirmed in second grade a week after her first communion, I was confirmed in 5th grade, and, when I was ordained in 1985, I think most of the time the sacrament was celebrated with kids who were 16 or 17.Fr. Michael Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-8383355256543296622020-07-09T14:55:31.117-04:002020-07-09T14:55:31.117-04:00Thanks for the answers on confirmation. I have a p...Thanks for the answers on confirmation. I have a portrait, so to say (small pictures or painting basically) showing the 7 sacraments at my home and in one is a picture of a bishop confirming a child, but in this instance the bishop is wearing a cope, not a chasuble. It would be highly unlikely a bishop would be wearing a cope if he was to confirm someone at a Mass. Thus my deduction (but backed up by y'all) that confirmation preceded reception of first Holy Communion. In the Anglican tradition, sometimes a bishop wears a cope for the liturgy of the word and then puts on a chasuble for the liturgy of the Eucharist, perhaps symbolic of the two mains parts of the Mass. I guess there must have been some logic about changing the order of reception of Holy Communion versus confirmation, but I leave it to any of y'all who know more than I do on that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-60835828876285616712020-07-09T13:53:56.430-04:002020-07-09T13:53:56.430-04:00Father McDonald,
I was confirmed in second grade....Father McDonald,<br /><br />I was confirmed in second grade. My younger siblings were confirmed, following the Council, in 6th grade. My children were confirmed as high school freshmenTJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-3965444577106847102020-07-09T13:37:26.589-04:002020-07-09T13:37:26.589-04:00Yes, confirmation followed First Communion. The ag...Yes, confirmation followed First Communion. The age, though, varied from diocese to diocese. I was confirmed prior to Vatican II in the 4th grade. There were no evening Masses and a three hour fast would have been too long for children, thus the bishop came and celebrated the Confirmation as a prelude to Benediction of the Most Blessed Sacrament. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-25210185139741758012020-07-09T13:17:26.588-04:002020-07-09T13:17:26.588-04:00Prior to the Council, Confirmation followed First ...Prior to the Council, Confirmation followed First Holy CommunionTJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-46754567485823915632020-07-09T12:40:09.353-04:002020-07-09T12:40:09.353-04:00Mediocrity is overrated.Mediocrity is overrated.SDPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-57009772755082727242020-07-09T12:33:45.951-04:002020-07-09T12:33:45.951-04:00In the old days (before Vatican 2), was confirmat...In the old days (before Vatican 2), was confirmation administered before one received first Holy Communion? I think that was traditional route in the Episcopal Church (before their 1970s revisions), where you had to be baptized and confirmed before receiving communion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10047315915800452882020-07-09T11:11:05.029-04:002020-07-09T11:11:05.029-04:00Anonymous,
Well there is a mediocre priest who po...Anonymous,<br /><br />Well there is a mediocre priest who posts here all of the time under his name and various aliases.<br /><br />The priest from Epiphany sounds self-deprecating. Try it some time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-38293284765903054262020-07-09T09:56:40.556-04:002020-07-09T09:56:40.556-04:00By his own admission, he's not outstanding, bu...By his own admission, he's not outstanding, but mediocre. <br /><br />Saint Antonio Salieri, pray for him!<br /><br />"I speak for all mediocrities in the world. I am their champion. I am their patron saint”.<br /><br />(Salieri's closing line in "Amadeus.")Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-68572243136208529432020-07-09T09:27:08.998-04:002020-07-09T09:27:08.998-04:00Anonymous at 6:53,
Sounds like an outstanding par...Anonymous at 6:53,<br /><br />Sounds like an outstanding parish priest to me because he has the right goal.Pierrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70888871937792106452020-07-09T06:35:05.704-04:002020-07-09T06:35:05.704-04:00From that Epiphany parish website...
"Catech...From that Epiphany parish website...<br /><br />"Catechism of St. Pius X, with discussion, in the Social Hall<br />Social time, kept manly by scotch and cigars." <br /><br />Oh, goody.<br /><br />"He (the pastor) has absolutely no outstanding talents or abilities but is rather a mediocre parish priest whose goal is to save the souls of his parishioners through a reverent celebration of the Mass and other sacraments."<br /><br />Not very encouraging... <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-42669520380611743822020-07-08T20:09:23.782-04:002020-07-08T20:09:23.782-04:00Good homework! There are not a lot of tradition ha...Good homework! There are not a lot of tradition hating priests/bishops in the younger clergy<br /><br /><br />Pierrenoreply@blogger.com