tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post5934384526233081268..comments2024-03-28T11:36:20.629-04:00Comments on southern orders: THIS IS SAFE HIGH SPIN FROM HIGH PLACES!Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-10190320005051773722016-04-08T15:33:33.384-04:002016-04-08T15:33:33.384-04:00Thjs Pope will always appear to support orthodoxy ...Thjs Pope will always appear to support orthodoxy in writing. But, he encourages practices that are relativistic and subjectivistic. He says that conscience trumps "rules." I am sure that by rules he means dogma. There is absolutely nothing to rejoice about here. Ya'll are grasping.Calvin Jansennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-16575639087299185322016-04-08T11:26:15.005-04:002016-04-08T11:26:15.005-04:00Number 80 spells out in so many words why masturba...Number 80 spells out in so many words why masturbation is wrong - inasmuch as it divorces genital action from the unitive requirement of matrimony. IVF and other 'fertility treatments' that separate procreation from the marital embrace are also condemned....<br /><br />I mean really, I've been terrified by the prospect of this document for 1 year but now that I'm reading it, I'm blown away by how clear, unambiguous, UNEQUIVOCAL these paragraphs are. I really can't see how you can read this in context and finangle some "loosening" of morals. Being kind and tender to a couple in an adulterous union is not the same thing as telling them that that union is a positive good.<br /><br />That two gay guys can be polite and even nice to each other doesn't mean their union is a good thing anymore than a john and a prostitute's union is good even though they may individually or collectively be 'nice' to each other. The way this is set up from the start, there's just no comparison between heterosexual marriage and any other coupling.<br /><br />Here's 83: 83.<br />Here I feel it urgent to state that, if the family is the sanctuary of life, the place where life is conceived and cared for, it is a horrendous contradiction when it becomes a place where life is rejected and destroyed. So great is the value of a human life, and so inalienable the right to life of an innocent child growing in the mother’s womb, that no alleged right to one’s own body can justify a decision to terminate that life, which is an end in itself and which can never be considered the “property” of another human being. The family protects human life in all its stages, including its last. Consequently, “those who work in healthcare facilities are reminded of the moral duty of conscientious objection. Similarly, the Church not only feels the urgency to assert the right to a natural death, without aggressive treatment and euthanasia”, but likewise “firmly rejects the death penalty”.93<br /><br /><br />BOOYAH as the kids say.<br /><br />He segues into re-affirming the sovereign right of parents to educate their children -which includes to homeschool them....<br /><br />I mean, this is getting ridiculous. This document is like manna from heaven folks.<br />Jusabellumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-38073721631607385682016-04-08T11:11:27.754-04:002016-04-08T11:11:27.754-04:00Oops, the above quote was from paragraph 62.
Here...Oops, the above quote was from paragraph 62.<br /><br />Here's another utterly clear and challenging paragraph:<br /><br />72.<br />The sacrament of marriage is not a social convention, an empty ritual or merely the outward sign of a commitment. The sacrament is a gift given for the sanctification and salvation of the spouses, since “their mutual belonging is a real representation, through the sacramental sign, of the same relationship between Christ and the Church. The married couple are therefore a permanent reminder for the Church of what took place on the cross; they are for one another and for their children witnesses of the salvation in which they share through the<br />63 Relatio Finalis 2015, 38. 56 sacrament”.64 Marriage is a vocation, inasmuch as it is a response to a specific call to experience conjugal love as an imperfect sign of the love between Christ and the Church. Consequently, the decision to marry and to have a family ought to be the fruit of a process of vocational discernment."<br /><br />How do we help religious or seminarian candidates 'discern' for their religious vows or ordination? Isn't it at a minimum that we provide them with spiritual direction to help them discern? Why shouldn't we provide similar person to person attention to couples or better, young people before they seek a potential mate to consider marriage this way?<br /><br /><br />Jusabellumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-28551160759913621052016-04-08T11:04:34.813-04:002016-04-08T11:04:34.813-04:0062.
For example here's paragraph 60:
The Syno...62.<br />For example here's paragraph 60:<br /><br />The Synod Fathers noted that Jesus, “in speaking of God’s original plan for man and woman, reaffirmed the indissoluble union between them, even stating that ‘it was for your hardness of heart that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so’ (Mt 19:8). The indissolubility of marriage – ‘what God has joined together, let no man put asunder’ (Mt 19:6) – should not be viewed as a ‘yoke’ imposed on humanity, but as a ‘gift’ granted to those who are joined in marriage… God’s indulgent love always accompanies our human journey; through grace, it heals and transforms hardened hearts, leading them back to the beginning through the way of the cross. The Gospels clearly present the example of Jesus who… proclaimed the meaning of marriage as the fullness of revelation that restores God’s original plan (cf. Mt 19:3)”.55<br /><br />So why we can gently accompany some couple in an adulterous union, we can't treat them as though their union is anything other than a deplorable and unfortunate stumble to be repaired or if that's somehow impossible, to help them with an evident wound that can't be treated as though it was just an "alternative form of health".Jusadbellumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24938012378064419832016-04-08T11:01:13.355-04:002016-04-08T11:01:13.355-04:00I'm about a third of the way through the docum...I'm about a third of the way through the document so far and I have to say, when you read the paragraphs in context they're not ambiguous AT ALL.... so far it's a tour de force in rock solid Catholic orthodoxis and orthopraxis.<br /><br />He clearly and unequivocally declares contraception, abortion, fornication, living together, concubinage, same-sex unions, and adultery to be wrong. But the 'spin' is that they're wrong because the beauty of heterosexual, exclusive, and permanent marriage is such a glorious thing that we should all cringe at the self-destructive if deluded behavior of people who don't grasp what they're missing or who despair of its reality.<br /><br />So far this is by far the most readable and 'fluid' document I've read from Pope Francis.Jusadbellumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34039446254317868752016-04-08T09:43:52.240-04:002016-04-08T09:43:52.240-04:00The evil,corrupt, left-wing media aka Voice of Sat...The evil,corrupt, left-wing media aka Voice of Satan, is trying to destroy the unity of the Catholic Church. I recall that the press releases coming from Rome during Vatican II bore no relationship to the documents nor the discussions within the Council. The Father of Lies was working hard then through the media, and is doing so again.TJMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78054125017270405242016-04-08T09:37:32.275-04:002016-04-08T09:37:32.275-04:00We live in an instant communication and miscommuni...We live in an instant communication and miscommunication world that enlightens and manipulates. What we are hearing from the secular media is demonic and so misrepresents the facts of the exhortation it is stunning in scope. READ THE DOCUMENT. I've down loaded it and hopefully will have time tonight to read it. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-79663748234542245682016-04-08T07:56:31.604-04:002016-04-08T07:56:31.604-04:00Pope Francis' massive 260-page document is sim...Pope Francis' massive 260-page document is simply too long to be read by the majority of Catholics. Therefore, as usual in such cases, the news media (via its spin) will inform Catholics (and non-Catholics) as to what the Pope said.<br /><br />Here is what the majority of Catholics will believe that Pope Francis has said:<br /><br />Pope Francis, Urging Less Judgment, Signals Path for Divorced on Communion <br /><br />New York Times - 1 hour ago<br /><br /><br />ROME — In a broad proclamation on family life, Pope Francis on Friday called for the Roman Catholic Church to be more welcoming and less judgmental, and he seemingly signaled a pastoral path for divorced and remarried Catholics to receive holy ... <br /><br /><br />Pope Francis urges acceptance of gays, lesbians, nontraditional families <br /><br />CNN - 49 minutes ago<br /><br />Pope Francis Pushes Church to be More Open to the Divorced <br /><br />TIME - 1 hour ago<br /><br /><br />Pope Francis offers hope to divorced Catholics, says no to gay marriage <br /><br />Washington Post - 1 hour ago<br /><br /><br />He called for divorced and remarried Catholics to participate more fully in church life. But he closed the door on gay marriage. He quotes Jorge Luis Borges and Jesus Christ. There is an entire chapter on Love. But more than anything, Pope Francis's ... <br /><br /><br />Pope Francis Softens Communion Ban for Divorcees, Shifts Tone on Family <br /><br />NBCNews.com - 1 hour ago<br /><br />Pope Francis urges relaxation of divorce rules for Catholics <br /><br />USA TODAY - 1 hour ago<br /><br /><br />ROME — Pope Francis released a document Friday that paves the way for new integration into the Roman Catholic Church for divorced Catholics, but does little to soften the church's strict views on hot-button topics like gay marriage, abortion and ... <br /><br />Pope Francis Calls for Leniency Toward Divorced Catholics <br /><br />Wall Street Journal - 1 hour ago<br /><br /><br />Pope Francis says conscience, not dogma, must guide Catholics in family life <br /><br />Fox News - 1 hour ago<br /><br /><br />VATICAN CITY – Pope Francis insisted that individual conscience be the guiding principle for Catholics negotiating the complexities of sex, marriage and family life in a major document released Friday that rejects the emphasis on black and white rules ... <br /><br /><br />Pope Francis Relaxes Church Rules On Divorce <br /><br />Huffington Post - 1 hour ago<br /><br /><br />VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis on Friday called for a Church that was less strict and more compassionate towards “imperfect” Catholics, such as those who divorced and remarried, saying “no one can be condemned forever”. Francis said gays ... <br /><br /><br /><br />Pope Francis' Long-Awaited Document 'Joy Of Love' May Open Doors For Communion To Remarried Divorcees <br /><br />International Business Times - 35 minutes ago<br /><br /><br />UPDATE: 6:38 a.m. EDT — Pope Francis urged Friday that Catholics must follow the guiding principle of individual conscience and called for the Church to be less strict. A document “Amoris Laetitia,” or “Joy of Love,” detailed the pope's views about ... <br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.com