tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post5641748596614771075..comments2024-03-28T12:59:52.914-04:00Comments on southern orders: ARE REAL MEN TURN OFF AND MADE TO FEEL FEMININE BY SILK AND LACE?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-9590772924486707952015-01-11T20:10:43.459-05:002015-01-11T20:10:43.459-05:00Gene, agree with your comments from a few days ago...Gene, agree with your comments from a few days ago on Ms. Schori of the Episcopal Church. Unfortunately, she and two of her immediate predecessors, Frank Griswold and Edmund Browning (going back to mid 1980s) have been disasters for that Church as presiding bishops, which gets more and more liberal as it loses more and more members---down to about half what they had at their peak in 1965. Episcopalians choose a new presiding bishop at their triennial convention later this year---hard to imagine their next presiding bishop could be any worse than her.<br /><br />Furthermore, it would be nice to believe the tensions in that Church are North V. South (the liberal Northern Episcopalians trying to impose their views on the more conservative southern ones), but unfortunately the liberal trend is infesting even the southern ones. Here in Atlanta (Episcopal Diocese of Atlanta, which also includes Macon and Columbus), they have a far-leftie as bishop, and same-sex rites are becoming the norm here---just check out their website under photos. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4412979733964418042015-01-11T10:20:32.854-05:002015-01-11T10:20:32.854-05:00@Gene: Magic does not bring about any true effect...@Gene: Magic does not bring about any true effects, but rather the appearance of effects.<br /><br />What concerns the instant of exercised intended act on the part of one consecrated truly effects that which is signified. <br /><br />Of course, Faith in Christ's promise is a totally distinct order than 'belief' one has seen what actually was not truly seen, but rather seemed to be seen through so-called 'magical' manipulations.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70852607557360873002015-01-10T09:19:47.635-05:002015-01-10T09:19:47.635-05:00Ah, Anonymous, you have hit on an interesting theo...Ah, Anonymous, you have hit on an interesting theological issue (accidentally, I am certain). Apparently, you believe that by uttering a few secret words the Priest changes the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. So, you believe in magic and the Priest is the ultimate Magician. I'll bet you've never missed a David Copperfield show...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-4204761649795791832015-01-09T18:07:43.110-05:002015-01-09T18:07:43.110-05:00Joe...how about this for masculine dress for clerg...Joe...how about this for masculine dress for clergy....cowboy hats!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-26558028923940113392015-01-09T13:41:03.344-05:002015-01-09T13:41:03.344-05:00Gene believes that the Consecration has nothing to...Gene believes that the Consecration has nothing to do with the priest who says "This is my body". "This is my blood".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23681963468546659142015-01-09T12:43:56.110-05:002015-01-09T12:43:56.110-05:00I think it's very masculine for a prelate to d...I think it's very masculine for a prelate to dress as a prelate ought, and for clergy to dress as clergy ought to. <br /><br />More lace, more cassocks, more cappa magnas, more ornate vestments (Though I like the Russian style more than the Roman)Православный физикhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11313371333531421128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-16917753579186449192015-01-09T12:07:22.459-05:002015-01-09T12:07:22.459-05:00Anonymous: plenty of laity complained about altar ...Anonymous: plenty of laity complained about altar girls and were rudely shouted down by clergy and liturgists (not argued down, not patiently shown by facts and theories to be wrong....shouted down as bigots, sexists, etc.)<br /><br />I think altar girls will fade away in orthodox parishes to be replaced by boys who will be actively recruited for vocations.<br /><br />We forget the demographic bell curve that is about to hit home across the country in the next 10 years.... a huge number of priests will retire and not be replaced. It is indeed a crisis and the solution is an 'all hands on deck' approach to maximize EVERY vector of priestly vocations available to us.<br /><br />If this means altar boys...great. If it means more charismatic youth retreats, Eucharistic adoration, etc....great. <br /><br />The whole "inclusion" of girls was originally planned to lead to women priests - not everyone whose daughter serves thinks this, but the agitators who promoted it most certainly did and do.<br /><br />It's liturgically pointless. Liturgy is not about mere function, it's about symbolism and final causality. Catholic priests are male. Close service to the altar ought also be male as the Crucifixion of the Son of God took the place of Adam who refused to risk his life to save Eve. <br /><br />Boys are hard wired to save princesses and fight dragons. What in the world do you think the altar and cross represent if not the final victory over the dragon on behalf of the woman?<br /><br />JusadBellumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71229442205938002992015-01-08T20:50:27.863-05:002015-01-08T20:50:27.863-05:00Katherine Schori does not believe that Jesus is th...Katherine Schori does not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. She said so in an interview. These people are the enemy…wake up, folks.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-51895395871422801222015-01-08T17:31:37.363-05:002015-01-08T17:31:37.363-05:00I think the cat is out of the bag...not like we ar...I think the cat is out of the bag...not like we are going to turn around and tell women to get off the altar, whether as altar servers or Eucharistic ministers. Never heard anyone at my parish of 6,000+ about 95 miles up I-75 from St. Joseph's complain about women on the altar...in fact, our pastor recently was urging women to sign up as ushers, whom are almost all-male at my parish. (Our bishop even washed the feet of a woman at a Holy Thursday service years ago---not saying I approve, but I did not hear many laity complaining about it.)<br /><br />Maybe that is part of the informal exchange of ideas we have with the Episcopal Church. They started allowing women to serve as acolytes, then we did. Then, when we started to move our altars from the back to the front, so did many of their parishes.<br /><br />There can be extremes on both sides when it comes to clerical dress---I find it odd when cardinals are wearing choir dress that is feet long---a bit overdone in my view---but at the same time for the Mass, a chasuble should not be the gaudy, awful-looking one of this blog---reminds me of some article about how awful-looking the vestments are of the (very liberal) presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church, Katherine Schori. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20160235587125314292015-01-08T16:13:05.252-05:002015-01-08T16:13:05.252-05:00John Nolan,
I'm fear you were led into a trap...John Nolan,<br /><br />I'm fear you were led into a trap. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-50558221089653907262015-01-08T14:49:31.341-05:002015-01-08T14:49:31.341-05:00'Since the last supper is kind of the model fo...'Since the last supper is kind of the model for it [the Mass] ...' A common misconception. The Last Supper fulfilled the requirements of the Old Law 'observata lege plene, cibis in legalibus' as St Thomas Aquinas put it. The Crucifixion and Resurrection, which give the Mass its meaning, had yet to happen.<br /><br />The Mass has been described as 'sacred drama' which is not the same as saying it is 'a theatrical performance'.<br /><br />It's astounding that so much ignorance can be crammed into a mere two sentences.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24566233244841906472015-01-08T11:46:16.346-05:002015-01-08T11:46:16.346-05:00The Mass is, of course, a theatrical performance, ...The Mass is, of course, a theatrical performance, so I suppose that costumes of some kind are appropriate. Since the last supper is kind of the model for it, why not wear costumes (aka vestments) that reflect the clothing that Jesus and the apostles actually wore, rather than what royalty wore hundreds of years later?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24558633894751038962015-01-08T09:41:27.760-05:002015-01-08T09:41:27.760-05:00I assume that David Gibson and Crux prefer liturgi...I assume that David Gibson and Crux prefer liturgical vestments like this:<br /><br />http://liturgy.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/1.jpg<br /><br />Jan<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com