tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post5573165377196095581..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: THE FUTURE OF THE LITURGY; IT'S UP IN THE AIR?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-59836687892786202882013-03-19T00:00:19.408-04:002013-03-19T00:00:19.408-04:00Father, I don't know much about your mother ex...Father, I don't know much about your mother except for what you've posted on this blog, and she sounds like she was a wonderful woman.<br /><br />But the fact that she made you vestments makes her well and truly awesome, and downright cool!WSquarednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-30785486648181432162013-03-18T20:45:59.470-04:002013-03-18T20:45:59.470-04:00It appears as if the mozzetta may be back! One was...It appears as if the mozzetta may be back! One was rush ordered today: http://honresp-catholicblog.blogspot.com/2013/03/tomorrows-papal-mass-good-news-from.htmlMattJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-71056921580204715862013-03-18T20:33:11.928-04:002013-03-18T20:33:11.928-04:00"I try to buy vestments for the parish and tr..."I try to buy vestments for the parish and try to buy ones that will match the building in which they will be used." <br /><br />Father,<br /> On one level I agree with you. I agree with you that vestments are not about the personality of the individual celebrating priest but are part of the liturgy which he himself does not own. As Pope Emeritus Benedict has written, we do not make or do liturgy--it is given to us (it is received) and should be in continuity with the past (not deliberately changed to fit some current perception about what we think we need now).<br /><br />On another level, I am having a problem with buying vestments to fit the architecture of each individual church building. What if you live (as I do) where there is only one Catholic Church in town and the next closest is at least 35 miles away? Add to that that I don't live anywhere near a large beautiful old pre-conciliar Church building such as the one where you are now assigned (too far from Macon, Savannah, or Augusta) and most or all of the smaller pre-conciliar churches have been replaced over the last 30 years? <br /><br />I have to try and practice my faith in spite of the kind of church building where I am attending Mass (a building built during the episcopate of a bishop who was in office from the early 1970's to the mid 90's). My father was on that building committee in the early 1980's and the best they could do at the time was to make sure we got a rectangular building rather than a "church in the round" and get us a choir loft by subterfuge. <br /><br />Until we can afford and justify building another church (not in my lifetime, I expect) must we be nailed down and cemented in by bad architecture of a certain period and by geographical isolation to a prolongation of ugly or boringly plain "modern" vestments and externals to match a then "modern" church building? At least, thank God, our current pastor doesn't let the architecture keep him from wearing more traditional looking vestments!<br /><br />The Pope was celebrating Mass in an old parish church building in Rome. He could've worn something more traditional (y-orphrey and brocade) to match that building. If we want to raise people's minds and hearts out of the worldly mire of the mundane and banal then more beauty and more picking up at where we were right before the Council must be justified. <br /><br />Guido Marini and I were born in the same decade (60's) and I guess I see it more like he does. Pope Francis, who may prove to be a super Pope, is almost exactly the same age my dad would be if he were still alive (born in late 1936). My dad liked the more traditional-looking externals in the Mass and sometimes would tease those (such as unhabited nuns) whom, he sensed, didn't like them.<br /><br /><br /><br />Joseph Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036852763902493131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-22583180378269328172013-03-18T18:40:29.001-04:002013-03-18T18:40:29.001-04:00I think the simple fact of the matter is that ther...I think the simple fact of the matter is that there is growing fear of our new pope among those who invested much time and effort into promoting the "reform of the reform". Whether or not the fear is justified, the pope is doing things that effectively prompt fear among this segment of his sheep, especially among this segment of the clergy. We should be rejoicing that we have a new pope, but instead, we are in a state of fear. Rood Screenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09816036539243214384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-36543686910087180732013-03-18T17:45:23.037-04:002013-03-18T17:45:23.037-04:00The re-introduction of the EF and the formalizing ...The re-introduction of the EF and the formalizing and standardizing the OF symbolize a return to traditional Catholic identity. Doctrinal and moral conservatism are certainly to be applauded, but that isn't enough. Worship recapitulates doctrine; Liturgy embodies theology. Hell, Calvinists are doctrinally conservative and more Baptists vote pro-life than Catholics. If Benedict's reforms are allowed to die on the vine, the Catholic Church will go the way of Protestantism.Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-2298945277086694122013-03-18T17:34:15.793-04:002013-03-18T17:34:15.793-04:00If we could see a filmed Mass of St. Pius X, XI, X...If we could see a filmed Mass of St. Pius X, XI, XII or Pope John XXIII, would we see any difference?<br /><br />Why can we not have one consistent manner of celebration?<br /><br />"All change is bad" Fr. FaberVox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-20786689737075158312013-03-18T16:50:23.243-04:002013-03-18T16:50:23.243-04:00Father, you need to understand... we were "sp...Father, you need to understand... we were "spoiled" by Pope Benedict (and Don Guido). It's going to take some time. Speaking for myself, even with all the improvements the Holy Father and Don Guido made concerning the OF, none have really tricked down to our local parish level. The masses I attend in my local parish is still identical (except for the new translation) to the masses celebrated back in the 1990s. So, for me, watching a Pope Benedcit mass on TV was something to look foreward to, a change to experience something we don't get in the local parishes. Now with Francis, his masses will look no different to our local parish ones. Is it bad? No. Is it disappointing? Somewhat. So we post and let off some steam. Thank God all we have to complain about is the style of mass, and not that Francis is changing doctrine and dogma. But what kind of makes it worse is when some, like yourself, who may be a little overprotective of the new Holy Father, start preaching to us to calm down, instead of just letting us blow off some steam, get it out of our systems, then we all can move on.<br /><br />Just my 2 cents.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-82507469415648932732013-03-18T16:48:40.074-04:002013-03-18T16:48:40.074-04:00"...from whence..." is redundant. "..."...from whence..." is redundant. "Whence" means "from which" or "from where."<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83544865780852304192013-03-18T16:36:18.715-04:002013-03-18T16:36:18.715-04:00One correction... the Pope was a member of http://...One correction... the Pope was a member of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_Divine_Worship_and_the_Discipline_of_the_Sacraments as a Cardinal, that makes him a very aware and capable liturgist!!! 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