tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post5412386944702229480..comments2024-03-28T20:30:10.681-04:00Comments on southern orders: IN YOUR EXPERIENCE OF THE ORDINARY FORM OF THE MASS, HOW IS THE ABLUTION OF THE CHALICE/S HANDLED?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-84346835437329555172020-01-10T07:06:29.797-05:002020-01-10T07:06:29.797-05:00For 99.99995% of the Masses said, those common cha...For 99.99995% of the Masses said, those common chalices should not be used. It is fairly common for public health students (with an anti-religious attitude) to sample holy water which is plated onto agar to demonstrate the large numbers of bacteria it contains. Public Health concern is valid. The sloppiness of handling of those common cups is another reason to limit their use.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-56199604633906072402020-01-10T05:17:12.723-05:002020-01-10T05:17:12.723-05:00Regarding EMHC, they do not purify the sacred vess...Regarding EMHC, they do not purify the sacred vessels unless they are instituted acolytes. However, they do consume any of the Precious Blood remaining in their particular chalices, and the thought of drinking the dregs of a cup from which dozens of people have slurped is distinctly unappealing.<br /><br />A practical alternative would be for the priest to perform his own ablutions (which constitute a liturgical rite and are accompanied by a prayer, the Quod ore sumpsimus). That which remains in the 'common' chalices could, after Mass, be diluted to the extent that it is no longer wine and can then be poured down the sacrarium. <br /><br />Better still, administer Holy Communion in one species only and dispense with EMHC altogether.John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-45203647392987356732020-01-10T03:50:19.025-05:002020-01-10T03:50:19.025-05:00Paragraph 279 of the General Instruction of the Ro...Paragraph 279 of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal directs that the sacred vessels are to be purified . The US bishops asked for and were granted an indult allowing EMHC to purify the vessels "for a period of three years". When the time expired the president of the USCCB requested an extension, but it was NOT GRANTED (Prot. n. 468/05/L Rome, 12 October 2006). Number 4. of that letter from the Vatican said, "Paragraph 279 of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal directs that the sacred vessels are to be purified by the priest, the deacon or an instituted acolyte. The status of this text as legislation has recently been clarified by the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts. It does not seem feasible, therefore, for the Congregation to grant the requested indult from this directive in the general law of the Latin Church."<br /><br />Noteworthy is that directives from the Worship Office of the Atlanta Archdiocese issued October 27, 2006 directed that parishes stop the practice of EMHC cleansing the sacred vessels.<br /><br />SO ANYWHERE THIS IS STILL BEING DONE IS WRONG!!!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-23542900292561841332020-01-09T16:41:17.550-05:002020-01-09T16:41:17.550-05:00You are confusing me with someone else. I am NOT a...You are confusing me with someone else. I am NOT a germaphobe, and have argued here that fear is mostly unreasonable, and that there are more germs on the handles to the doors to the Church. I am a microbiologist. Very quick on the Paul Lynde routine...Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01504517769804159508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-67206927336304644832020-01-09T14:05:26.776-05:002020-01-09T14:05:26.776-05:00Touche John Nolan. It's drinking the ablutions...Touche John Nolan. It's drinking the ablutions from chalices used by EMHC that is the problem and tongue and cheek I hate, despise and detest doing so and thus my suffering is for the poor souls in purgatory but of course so too is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, but that's Jesus' sufferings. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-47017482082449822372020-01-09T11:53:33.850-05:002020-01-09T11:53:33.850-05:00You have previously claimed that you know lots and...You have previously claimed that you know lots and lots and lots of people who have become ill from drinking the ablutions from the common cup.<br /><br />Now you tell us that when tap water that has been chlorinated is added to the cup for ablutions, it kills off the germs, even if only a few.<br /><br />So, which is it going to be? Use of the common cup especially for those who must clean them, is virulently dangerous, or using chlorinated tap water kills enough terms that you're not going to get sick?Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-83320933013266905992020-01-09T11:51:39.850-05:002020-01-09T11:51:39.850-05:00Fr McDonald
I'm sorry, your post makes no sen...Fr McDonald<br /><br />I'm sorry, your post makes no sense. When the priest consumes the Precious Blood at his Communion the sacrifice is complete. There is no sacrifice involved when performing the ablutions, and if you perform them according to the older rite, what's the problem?<br /><br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-24184416620691562822020-01-09T11:37:28.634-05:002020-01-09T11:37:28.634-05:00Why not do what is done at my parish....No chalice...Why not do what is done at my parish....No chalice except the one the Priest consumes from? Why keep this "common chalice" thing going at all? Just stop it.Tom Makinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16205083082154096793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-75193286240017526552020-01-09T11:19:27.716-05:002020-01-09T11:19:27.716-05:00Yes, the water will dilute the germs, BUT the wate...Yes, the water will dilute the germs, BUT the water is likely chlorinated and so should kill a few.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01504517769804159508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-34381900170873834342020-01-09T11:05:52.689-05:002020-01-09T11:05:52.689-05:00At daily Mass, I am no longer cleaning the laity&#...At daily Mass, I am no longer cleaning the laity's chalices as I did prior to the public health crisis of the flu. So I am only cleaning my chalice which I alone drink from. Thus no sacrifice in drinking diluted ablutions with thousands of germs and bacteria and the poor souls no longer benefit from my sacrifice as it has ceased. Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13695322122922736272020-01-09T10:32:29.015-05:002020-01-09T10:32:29.015-05:00By adding a great deal of water to the chalice, yo...By adding a great deal of water to the chalice, you do not cut down the number of germs that you ingest. You simply dilute them.<br /><br />Your phobia should remain in place, so the poor souls in purgatory aren't losing anything.Fr. Michael J. Kavanaughnoreply@blogger.com