tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post527656419642352493..comments2024-03-28T01:50:39.781-04:00Comments on southern orders: PIOUS PLATITUDES ABOUT THE VERNACULAR MASS; ARE THEY TRUE?Fr. Allan J. McDonaldhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16986575955114152639noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-70929595625016091602015-03-01T16:05:02.400-05:002015-03-01T16:05:02.400-05:00Thanks for the link. It's funny, in a sad sor...Thanks for the link. It's funny, in a sad sort of way, how every discussion about use of the vernacular gets muddled up with the Novus Ordo. They're 2 different issues.Tony Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10862727279147129707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-13383618658860512242015-02-26T03:44:03.465-05:002015-02-26T03:44:03.465-05:00Notice the sideswipe at the current translation - ...Notice the sideswipe at the current translation - in Blessed Rita's world accuracy equals re-Latinization.<br /><br />I notice that Commonweal's Rome correspondent is none other than Robert Mickens, sacked by The Tablet (UK equivalent of NCR aka Fishwrap) for making offensive and tasteless remarks on-line about B XVI. Draw your own conclusions.<br /><br />So how does Francis propose to commemorate this momentous event? By saying Mass in Italian? He does that anyway, and furthermore it's not his vernacular. Perhaps he will say a Mass which includes all the available translations (including pigeon English), changing after each sentence. A Babel Mass. Why not? John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-63488571228266833012015-02-25T20:06:50.861-05:002015-02-25T20:06:50.861-05:00"The introduction of the vernacular was not o...<br /><br />"The introduction of the vernacular was not only undertaken for the good of the people already within the fold. It was also intended as a pledge and a promise for the Catholic Church to reach out beyond itself, for the sake of its mission."<br /><br />A noble aim to be sure. The connection to Selma though has less substance than a gossamer cobweb.<br />Perhaps Ms Ferrone's next assignment could be to find a connection between the Lambeth conference and the rise of the Third Reich. At least from a spiritual-metaphysical perspective she might come up with some sort of credible tie-in.<br /><br />There is nothing wrong with the Mass in the vernacular. The offering to God of the Sacrificial Lamb of His Son is alway pleasing to Him. Let's celebrate the Mass well so as to give back to God the worship, honor and adoration due Him.Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-6883928320942676832015-02-25T18:19:40.520-05:002015-02-25T18:19:40.520-05:00I agree with John Nolan. Only Pray Tell blog and l...I agree with John Nolan. Only Pray Tell blog and like minded friends take Ferrone seriously especially here in NY where she was director of the Catechumenate under Cardinal O'connor (when she was more moderate). It sounds like she was inspired by the movie "Selma" though I do not see the connection unless we are getting nostalgic for the '60's. I think that in a world where Christians are being beheaded as if it were AD 50 this topic lacks urgency and contains many straw men ( ex: those who might advocate a Latin mass know fully well that Latin is not the only liturgical language, just as Roman Catholicism isn't the only Catholicism, but it is the language of the Latin/Roman Rite). And no, Latin isn't more "mystical"- but it is a direct link to history. For me, it isn't even about language but of sacred gestures: facing East, kneeling before the Son of God. And as for reality, there are serious issues here in NY especially with the Cardinal's closing of parishes and churches. Sad to see some people still living in the 60s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-88409246067807075712015-02-25T08:22:41.036-05:002015-02-25T08:22:41.036-05:00No-one outside PrayTell takes Rita seriously. It w...No-one outside PrayTell takes Rita seriously. It would, however, be interesting to know just how much of Paul VI's 1965 Mass was in Italian. If memory serves, the only parts that were in the vernacular at that date were those parts which involved the congregation. The Canon, for example, was only said aloud at concelebrated Masses and was in Latin until 1967. <br />John Nolanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09027156691859606002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-78972230627504846062015-02-25T08:18:00.189-05:002015-02-25T08:18:00.189-05:00All this frantic wordsmithing, rationalization, an...All this frantic wordsmithing, rationalization, and double-speak in an effort to justify the abominations of the OF remind me of a cat burying feces on a tile porch...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-681997037850815142015-02-25T07:53:35.544-05:002015-02-25T07:53:35.544-05:00This is not an analysis of the TLM, but a apology ...This is not an analysis of the TLM, but a apology for the vernacular. It omits the reason for the revision of the Missal: that Pope JPII finally got a look at the translations and knew they were very wide of the mark. Mystical had nothing to do with it. My chubby little '62 Missal has English on a facing page or column for every Latin section. They could easily have petitioned for permission to use that page and retained every bit of mystical character as well as have some often beautiful English. rcghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131930849106490711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7846189835239594160.post-41331367689051708322015-02-25T06:27:13.627-05:002015-02-25T06:27:13.627-05:00Yeah, right...Yeah, right...Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06672484450736725268noreply@blogger.com